WARLOK Posted December 11, 2006 #1 Share Posted December 11, 2006 "FORGIVE THOSE WHO HAVE SINNED AGAINST YOU AND GOD WILL FORGIVE YOU OF YOUR SINS" Now I'm not out to upset anyone at all, but 'COME ON' I feel better nowing that I can catch up with all those people that have sinned against me in the depths of hell ( if this is the case) than to live by a statement like that. How can those people who have had their lives shattered by rapists, molesters, and many other sick and demented freaks forgive these people of their sins? EYE FOR AN EYE that's what needs to be preached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadetak Posted December 11, 2006 #2 Share Posted December 11, 2006 An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverCougar Posted December 11, 2006 #3 Share Posted December 11, 2006 A kiss for a kiss makes the whole world... happy. X) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chauncy Posted December 11, 2006 #4 Share Posted December 11, 2006 There is more reason to forgive people other than the fear of Hell. A person is affected emotionally and mentally when they hold on to resentments and thoughts of revenge. To have the ability to forgive makes you yourself a stronger person, revenge in essence is hate, when you harbor hate you cannot give or recieve love. “Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much.” Oscar Wilde “The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.” Mahatma Gandhi “Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.” Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARLOK Posted December 11, 2006 Author #5 Share Posted December 11, 2006 You say " When you harbour hate you cannot give and recieve love." Again nice concept but not true in my eye's. I hate (and that's using a nice word) somebody for example, who inflict's pain and injury to children not to mention other barbaric act's. I only wish death on these sort of people, and then sometimes death is to good. For me I do very well to harbour a lot of hate for these sort's of people and still I can give and recieve lots of love every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chauncy Posted December 11, 2006 #6 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I hate (and that's using a nice word) somebody for example, who inflict's pain and injury to children Sure absolutely.....it is those acts that you truly hate. You truly hate the fact that someone would do that. You could meet a person that has committed those evil acts and NOT know it, you would never know to hate that person unless you were aware of their deeds. So in essence you surely hate the act......you don't know if you hate the person or not. Many a serial killer have charming and charismatic personalities, alot of these evil doers you may very well get along with and enjoy their company, may even call them a friend without knowing what they did. It is easy to hate someone you don't know, when all you know about them is their deeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARLOK Posted December 11, 2006 Author #7 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Yes, I can see your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiCkC818 Posted December 11, 2006 #8 Share Posted December 11, 2006 What if you hate the person who commits those acts and literally hope they burn in the pits of hell Maybe I should rephrase "Burn in the pits of hell" into "Hating their soul." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARLOK Posted December 11, 2006 Author #9 Share Posted December 11, 2006 It sound like you have had a run in with someone!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunZero Posted December 11, 2006 #10 Share Posted December 11, 2006 No matter what another's opinion is, I will NEVER forgive such people as murderers, rapists, etc.. unless they TRULY feel sorry for what they've done. If not, I'd rather step on their throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARLOK Posted December 11, 2006 Author #11 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Could not have said it better myself, Good one!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesobaite Posted December 11, 2006 #12 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Oh my goodness, this is the wisdom I need to hear daily. And it is healing: Sure absolutely.....it is those acts that you truly hate. You truly hate the fact that someone would do that. You could meet a person that has committed those evil acts and NOT know it, you would never know to hate that person unless you were aware of their deeds. So in essence you surely hate the act......you don't know if you hate the person or not. Many a serial killer have charming and charismatic personalities, alot of these evil doers you may very well get along with and enjoy their company, may even call them a friend without knowing what they did. It is easy to hate someone you don't know, when all you know about them is their deeds. Chauncy the healing in this concept is certainly theraputic in the least. Are you a trained therapist? lol you should consider the profession... WARLOK, You have a prupose as a warrior perhaps. Of some kind whatever that may be. I did not create you so I don't know what it is but I understand your point. However, consider this, in most of the physical and someitmes verbal squabbles I have witnessed in my lifetime the two combatants have reconciled and atleast tried to forgive one another. It almost makes you feel like saying "what did they fight for in the first place". Its like its a game - the hate. And we're not winning. Someone's having a good laugh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Kurtz Posted December 11, 2006 #13 Share Posted December 11, 2006 No matter what another's opinion is, I will NEVER forgive such people as murderers, rapists, etc.. unless they TRULY feel sorry for what they've done. If not, I'd rather step on their throat. Would you never forgive a beaten spouse that kills their partner after years of abuse ? How bout the little boy or girl that is molested when they were young and kill their abusers when they are older? Some people will never feel "" truly'' sorry for these types of acts,,because of abuse they suffered. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Greenman Posted December 11, 2006 #14 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Forgiveness I give to those who remorseful of their actions and make an effort to make changes in their life to repair. I have been forgiven many times in my life for mistakes I have made, but then I own up to my mistakes and seek change. I have a spell I do when I can't forgive one who has wronged me. I take them out of my life, they no longer exist. I no longer hate or feel anything about them, they are no more. The look of shock when I say to the person "Excuse me, but do I know you?" is priceless. Hate can eat you up like a festering sore. Better to forget or forgive than to be consumed by hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARLOK Posted December 11, 2006 Author #15 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Hey Col. Kurtz I would forgive the beaten wife after years of abuse if she killed her husband. It was me WARLOK, if you read my post, that was all for an eye for an eye. This is the case of the beaten wife. Good on her!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARLOK Posted December 11, 2006 Author #16 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Oh my goodness, this is the wisdom I need to hear daily. And it is healing: Chauncy the healing in this concept is certainly theraputic in the least. Are you a trained therapist? lol you should consider the profession... WARLOK, You have a prupose as a warrior perhaps. Of some kind whatever that may be. I did not create you so I don't know what it is but I understand your point. However, consider this, in most of the physical and someitmes verbal squabbles I have witnessed in my lifetime the two combatants have reconciled and atleast tried to forgive one another. It almost makes you feel like saying "what did they fight for in the first place". Its like its a game - the hate. And we're not winning. Someone's having a good laugh.... My purpose is in fact as a worrior, and the kind is that of justice. The kind of justice that does NOT hide behind the bible, leaving only the words of the good book to set rapist's, wife bashers, child molesters, and other freaks that get released from prison's early because they claim they are born again christians. These people claim to have found god. Again what about the innocent victims of these animals? Where was god when these act's were happening? These victims are scared for life. While these animal's are free to strike again. You think about that!!! Worrior of justice is my path. It will always be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted December 11, 2006 #17 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Warrior of Justice? Or Vengence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARLOK Posted December 11, 2006 Author #18 Share Posted December 11, 2006 BOTH! It makes no sense to me to sit around and let victims of cruel act's wait until our lord judge's them when that time comes. To me this time is to late. The victims pain doesn't just vanish, so why should their's? To many victims wait to long for justice, being it our god lord who dishes it up, or our stuffed up court system. Wait no longer I say!! Justice is here, and it's in the shape of a WARLOK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chauncy Posted December 11, 2006 #19 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Would you never forgive a beaten spouse that kills their partner after years of abuse ?Sure, in this type sutuation it amounts to nothing short of self-defence. Someone protecting themselves after all other options have been exhausted. How bout the little boy or girl that is molested when they were young and kill their abusers when they are older? It is a horrible act when children are molested. Now imagen that child growing up through life harboring these feelings of hate and revenge. How would they fare?, What state would their lives be in as a result of nurturing these feelings of hate? It is a very difficult thing to forgive and let go of hatered, no-one said it is an easy accomplishment. But one does indeed better themselves as a result of forgiveness. Question: If I stab you in the back with a knife, I then go to jail for my act. You of course are in great pain as result of your wound. Sympathy is definetly warranted as a result of your wounds. Now if I come to you 20 years later and that knife is still stuck in your back and the wound is all pused with infection.......who's fault is it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted December 11, 2006 #20 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Hating another being is like drinking poison and hoping it kills them instead I'm not sure who said this, but it really makes sense. There is no point in hating. Hate leads to nothing but suffering. Forgiveness, in any form, builds bridges. Remember though that forgiving someone need not necessarily mean you suddenly become best buddies. A friend I went to school with became a con-artist. He robbed people blind (or rather, he robbed blind people, literally ). He took $500 from my family. Once a year or so, he used to turn up on my doorstep, claim he was a changed man. But he wasn't a changed man. Hearing reports from his mum and brother, who I see from time-to-time, shows me he's still the same person he was. I have forgiven this man, despite all he has done - what would it serve me to harbour bitter resentment - should I hound him for my $500 back? But I'm not a sap. I'm not putting myself in a position to be robbed again. Forgiveness does not equate to being bosom buddies. Regards, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurious George Posted December 11, 2006 #21 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Justice is here, and it's in the shape of a WARLOK! Queue theme music now lol. Good on ya man, I get what you're putting down. You know I can understand why people say things like 'hate will consume you' but the reality is four little words cannot sum it all up just like that. Not everyone holds an aggressive mentality the same, sometimes the most passionate people love the most and hate the most, theres nothing stopping you from loving and hating at the same time. Some even believe that until you have felt the very depths of hate you cannot reach the peaks of love, might not hold true for everyone but I get it. You wouldnt happen to be an Aries would you lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplos Posted December 11, 2006 #22 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I so completely agree with what several are saying about letting go of the hate and moving on. Now if I come to you 20 years later and that knife is still stuck in your back and the wound is all pused with infection.......who's fault is it then? So wise ^^. I was abused every day of my marriage - for five years. After I got out of the situation, I could easily have continued to hate my ex forever. What good would it do me? What good would vengence do me? All it would do is let the infection of ill feeling grow. Its been about 6 years since my divorce. I don't really term what I did 'forgiveness' but more understanding, and moving on. I can't imagine how awful my life would be now if I was still carrying the abuse around in my heart every day, and how much it would've ruined my kids' lives too. Why would someone want to wallow in hatred when there is so much joy and wonder in the world, if you only let yourself see it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Greenman Posted December 11, 2006 #23 Share Posted December 11, 2006 BOTH! It makes no sense to me to sit around and let victims of cruel act's wait until our lord judge's them when that time comes. To me this time is to late. The victims pain doesn't just vanish, so why should their's? To many victims wait to long for justice, being it our god lord who dishes it up, or our stuffed up court system. Wait no longer I say!! Justice is here, and it's in the shape of a WARLOK! That would make judge, jury, and executioner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlDrippy34 Posted December 11, 2006 #24 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Now I feel like I have to stop Warlok before he goes on a crazy type vigilante escapade. ...But truly, who will be the hero, and who will be the villain? The answer will, in time, be revealed... ...right now. Me. I'm the hero. He's the villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted December 11, 2006 #25 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Main Entry: jus·tice Pronunciation: 'j&s-t&s Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French justise, from Latin justitia, from justus 1 a : the maintenance or administration of what is just especially by the impartial adjustment of conflicting claims or the assignment of merited rewards or punishments b : JUDGE c : the administration of law; especially : the establishment or determination of rights according to the rules of law or equity 2 a : the quality of being just, impartial, or fair b (1) : the principle or ideal of just dealing or right action (2) : conformity to this principle or ideal : RIGHTEOUSNESS c : the quality of conforming to law 3 : conformity to truth, fact, or reason : CORRECTNESS Main Entry: ven·geance Pronunciation: 'ven-j&n(t)s Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from venger to avenge, from Latin vindicare to lay claim to, avenge -- more at VINDICATE : punishment inflicted in retaliation for an injury or offense : RETRIBUTION - with a vengeance 1 : with great force or vehemence <undertook reform with a vengeance> 2 : to an extreme or excessive degree <the tourists are back--with a vengeance> Just checking to make sure there is a difference between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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