ninjadude Posted January 11, 2009 #1 Share Posted January 11, 2009 In an interview with Brit Hume that aired today on Fox News Sunday, President Bush admitted that he personally authorized the torture of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He said he personally asked “what tools” were available to use on him, and sought legal approval for waterboarding him: BUSH: One such person who gave us information was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. … And I’m in the Oval Office and I am told that we have captured Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the professionals believe he has information necessary to secure the country. So I ask what tools are available for us to find information from him and they gave me a list of tools, and I said are these tools deemed to be legal? And so we got legal opinions before any decision was made. source PRELIMINARY MEMORANDUM OF THE JUSTICE ROBERT H. JACKSON CONFERENCE ON FEDERAL PROSECUTIONS OF WAR CRIMINALS Submitted by davidswanson on Fri, 2009-01-09 14:43. * Criminal Prosecution * Evidence I. INTRODUCTION. An extensive complaint seeking federal prosecution of American officials who ordered, authorized, approved or committed war crimes is currently being prepared. While the complaint is in preparation, the Steering Committee of the Justice Robert H. Jackson Conference is issuing this preliminary memorandum setting forth several of the points to be presented more extensively in the complaint itself. Such points include the acts of torture and abuse which constitute war crimes, the high level individuals of the American Government who ordered, authorized, or approved these acts plus some of the lower level officials who committed them, and the warnings of illegality and immorality given to the culpable American officials -- as news of their secret actions slowly began to percolate within the Executive branch -- by persons ranging from FBI officials on the ground, to other executive investigative personnel on the ground, to military Judge Advocates General, to general counsels of the armed services. These warnings of illegality and immorality given by knowledgeable and experienced persons were ignored by the small group of high Executive officers who were determined that America would torture and abuse its prisoners and who had the decisionmaking power to secretly require this to be done. source Terrorism is not an excuse for lawlessness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted January 11, 2009 #2 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Lame. All he said was that he asked what could be done and he asked if it was legal. Worthless. It's knee-jerk reactions like these that will allow him to walk away when he actually does admit to doing anything illegal, because he'll have so many weak accusations (like this one), that a good one will go unnoticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterPo Posted January 12, 2009 #3 Share Posted January 12, 2009 [bUSH: One such person who gave us information was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. … And I’m in the Oval Office and I am told that we have captured Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the professionals believe he has information necessary to secure the country. So I ask what tools are available for us to find information from him and they gave me a list of tools, and I said are these tools deemed to be legal? And so we got legal opinions before any decision was made. Look up Leadership. I pray the new administration has a pair to do like that as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dowdy Posted January 12, 2009 #4 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Look up Leadership. I pray the new administration has a pair to do like that as well! There are many words to describe Bush but leadership is definitely NOT one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterPo Posted January 12, 2009 #5 Share Posted January 12, 2009 There are many words to describe Bush but leadership is definitely NOT one of them. He kept my butt safe for 7 years. That ranks pretty high on my list as a good leader! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dowdy Posted January 12, 2009 #6 Share Posted January 12, 2009 He kept my butt safe for 7 years. That ranks pretty high on my list as a good leader! Safe from what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterPo Posted January 12, 2009 #7 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Safe from what? Oh brother.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dowdy Posted January 12, 2009 #8 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Oh brother.... So that's it? I fail to see any leadership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterPo Posted January 12, 2009 #9 Share Posted January 12, 2009 So that's it? I fail to see any leadership The fact that my city isn't glowing bright green and no one is dying in my malls says a lot. Of course, we all know the terrorists are just kind hearted souls who have given us a break for the last 7 years..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dowdy Posted January 12, 2009 #10 Share Posted January 12, 2009 The fact that my city isn't glowing bright green and no one is dying in my malls says a lot. Of course, we all know the terrorists are just kind hearted souls who have given us a break for the last 7 years..... Interesting logic. Reminds me of the Simpsons. Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm! Lisa: That’s specious reasoning, dad. Homer: Why thank you, honey. Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away. Homer: Hmm. How does it work? Lisa: It doesn’t work; it’s just a stupid rock! Homer: Uh-huh. Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you? Homer: Hmm... Lisa, I want to buy your rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterPo Posted January 12, 2009 #11 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) That's the difference. I see the lack of terrorist attacks on Main Street, U.S.A. as the result of good work by the military, police, etc. You see a lack of terrorist attacks on Main Street, U.S.A. as the result of chance and the kindness of the terrorists. Have you seen the bridge I have for sale..... Edited January 12, 2009 by MasterPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crtDzyn Posted January 12, 2009 #12 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Really convenient that we got attacked by terrorists at the beginning of his presidency wasn't it? It seems it gave him a problem to "fix". Nothing like some good leverage. Was your neighborhood under attack under anyone else's administration Po? You seem quite thankful for the safety Bush has "suddenly provided". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudo Intellectual Posted January 12, 2009 #13 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Crt, I'm sure you would be happy to know that Bush was not responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and that al-Qaeda was planning it during Clinton's two terms. They tested Clinton many times, and they found out he was a *****, so they assumed Bush was too, but boy were they wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cradle of Fish Posted January 12, 2009 #14 Share Posted January 12, 2009 That's the difference. I see the lack of terrorist attacks on Main Street, U.S.A. as the result of good work by the military, police, etc. You see a lack of terrorist attacks on Main Street, U.S.A. as the result of chance and the kindness of the terrorists. Yeah but technically Bush failed at that in 2000 and 2001 by failing to prevent 9/11. He might have kept you safe, but he failed to keep safe the three thousand people who died in that attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaggieDruydess Posted January 12, 2009 #15 Share Posted January 12, 2009 A true leader does not take the freedoms and rights from his people to give himself more power. A true leader does not commit war crimes, does not invade the privacy of the people he is supposed to protect. GWB is not a leader, he is a puppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted January 12, 2009 #16 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) The fact that my city isn't glowing bright green and no one is dying in my malls says a lot. Of course, we all know the terrorists are just kind hearted souls who have given us a break for the last 7 years..... Well I guess by those standards Bush did pretty good LOL Oh wait the latest terror attack happened on his watch hmmm ya ya he was only in office for 8 months and it was all Clintons fault anyway. Plus bush did keep America safe by sending 4000 plus boys and girls to there death in Iraq. Ya Bush is a swell guy, if your blind deaf and dumb... Edited January 12, 2009 by The Silver Thong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztec Warrior Posted January 12, 2009 #17 Share Posted January 12, 2009 No smoking gun here. In fact, I imagine Obama will say the same thing, when the next high-value terrorist is captured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crtDzyn Posted January 12, 2009 #18 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Crt, I'm sure you would be happy to know that Bush was not responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and that al-Qaeda was planning it during Clinton's two terms. They tested Clinton many times, and they found out he was a *****, so they assumed Bush was too, but boy were they wrong... I never said he was responsible for the attacks. I apologize if I seemed to imply it, that honestly wasn't my intention or belief. How do we know how Clinton would have handled the post-9/11? We can only make assumptions. Point is, it happened either way and it seems the merit being constantly credited to Bush is that we haven't had another 9/11 since the first one. So let's just focus on that and ignore how he did it or any of the other problems that have flared up under his administration. Ohh Bush, you are the blanky for my nightmares. *snuggles up* So cozy... so safe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Honeybadger Posted January 12, 2009 #19 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Hopefully I'll see the day when we completely remove ourselves from the Middle East. Troops, bases, food, aid, everything. It would be great if they never even knew America existed. Let them prosper or starve. It should be up to them. We should have no influence on their outcome. We are only over there because of their oil anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crtDzyn Posted January 12, 2009 #20 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Hopefully I'll see the day when we completely remove ourselves from the Middle East. Troops, bases, food, aid, everything. It would be great if they never even knew America existed. Let them prosper or starve. It should be up to them. We should have no influence on their outcome. We are only over there because of their oil anyway. Cheers to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted January 12, 2009 #21 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Cheers to that. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaggieDruydess Posted January 12, 2009 #22 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Hopefully I'll see the day when we completely remove ourselves from the Middle East. Troops, bases, food, aid, everything. It would be great if they never even knew America existed. Let them prosper or starve. It should be up to them. We should have no influence on their outcome. We are only over there because of their oil anyway. True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted January 12, 2009 #23 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Hopefully I'll see the day when we completely remove ourselves from the Middle East. Troops, bases, food, aid, everything. It would be great if they never even knew America existed. Let them prosper or starve. It should be up to them. We should have no influence on their outcome. We are only over there because of their oil anyway. wow! finally some are beginning to come around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Umbarger Posted January 13, 2009 #24 Share Posted January 13, 2009 They didn't put Nixon, Clinton, Hoover or Lincoln in the klink, I doubt that they'll jail Bush. The truth is, even though we are a nation of laws, not men and no one is above the law, we'll probably never lock up any President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted January 13, 2009 #25 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Hopefully I'll see the day when we completely remove ourselves from the Middle East. Troops, bases, food, aid, everything. It would be great if they never even knew America existed. Let them prosper or starve. It should be up to them. We should have no influence on their outcome. That's a rather naive point of view. One never completely pulls out of a country one has conquered. There will always be a military base in the Middle East, even after peace reigns. We never pulled out of Japan, and we aren't going to pull out of Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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