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#16    lightly

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:43 PM

We, for the most part,  got along fine without income taxes.. until 1913    ..and the first ones were on Corporations...  not individuals.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 12:12 AM

View Postlightly, on 22 March 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

We, for the most part,  got along fine without income taxes.. until 1913 ..and the first ones were on Corporations...  not individuals.

Society has changed considerably in 100 years.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 06:06 AM

I think there should be a minimum tax for everyone. If your over 18 you pay 1000 a year, as a token investment into the economy. If you don't have it, then you do community service till it is paid. How long would that really take? 100 hours? 3 weeks? I think the Poor should as fully embrace this as the Rich should do for paying more.

I think it is interesting that it is not specified if that the "effective rate" is a after tax return rate or not. Because if it is a after return rate, then if you are at a 50% rate, but an effective rate of 15%, then the government is actually holding and using your extra 35% till you ask for it back. If the government uses that money right, it is getting a 3 to 4% return on that money. You never hear about the money that the government makes off "borrowing" your own money.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 10:37 AM

a thousand dollar is nothig to sme people and a world to others.
10% OTOH  is very little to everyone who knows how to even live by a rudimentary budget.


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Posted 23 March 2013 - 08:10 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 23 March 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

a thousand dollar is nothig to sme people and a world to others.
10% OTOH  is very little to everyone who knows how to even live by a rudimentary budget.
They could do community service instead. Is three weeks stretched over 52 weeks going to kill someone who is unemployed, or on food stamps, or welfare, or just poor?

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 08:31 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 23 March 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

a thousand dollar is nothig to sme people and a world to others.

this is precisely why a flat tax is unfair. And why our tax system does not do this.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 08:58 PM

View Postninjadude, on 23 March 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

this is precisely why a flat tax is unfair. And why our tax system does not do this.

Do you favor our present system?


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Posted 23 March 2013 - 11:53 PM

View Postninjadude, on 23 March 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

this is precisely why a flat tax is unfair. And why our tax system does not do this.
What would be unfair about everyone contributing in their own equitable fashion? Why should 40% (or whatever the rate is) of Americans receive back more money then they paid in, and all public programs then be paid (in the main) for by the Rich?

I'm not against taxing the rich, but let us not pretend that the System of Taxation is Fair.

If everyone contributes in some fashion, that is the very Social Definition of FAIR.

Edited by DieChecker, 23 March 2013 - 11:54 PM.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 01:05 AM

Well the US government spends about 3.5 trillion a year. http://go.bloomberg....vernment-spend/
There are around 315 million people in the US. http://www.census.go...w/popclock.html
So simple math for a flat tax would be $11,111 per person.
So a married couple would have to pay $22,222 a year and a family of four $44,444.
Thats not counting state and local taxes however.
On the positive note, it would simplify the tax system.
The negative side is the whole having to pay $44,444 for your family of four in order to cover your fair share.


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Posted 24 March 2013 - 01:28 AM

View PostKowalski, on 21 March 2013 - 10:42 PM, said:

I think everyone should pay the SAME amount of taxes.


I agree to a point.  There should be a set amount where the taxation starts, for instance one would pay nothing for taxes until they made over 30,000 (just an arbitrary figure).  Then every dime should be taxed at the same percentage.   That would help those that are truly poor, and allow every tax payer to pay the same amount.


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Posted 24 March 2013 - 01:30 AM

View PostGromdor, on 24 March 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

Well the US government spends about 3.5 trillion a year. http://go.bloomberg....vernment-spend/
There are around 315 million people in the US. http://www.census.go...w/popclock.html
So simple math for a flat tax would be $11,111 per person.
So a married couple would have to pay $22,222 a year and a family of four $44,444.
Thats not counting state and local taxes however.
On the positive note, it would simplify the tax system.
The negative side is the whole having to pay $44,444 for your family of four in order to cover your fair share.

I don't think you can just go with a flat dollar amount for each family.  THe tax is on income, not per head.


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Posted 24 March 2013 - 01:34 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 23 March 2013 - 11:53 PM, said:

What would be unfair about everyone contributing in their own equitable fashion? Why should 40% (or whatever the rate is) of Americans receive back more money then they paid in, and all public programs then be paid (in the main) for by the Rich?

I'm not against taxing the rich, but let us not pretend that the System of Taxation is Fair.

If everyone contributes in some fashion, that is the very Social Definition of FAIR.

Absolutely agree.  With EIC (earned income credit) in our state, I know of people that get returns double of what they actually paid in.  This is not a refund system, that is another handout.

One of the dweebs I know that got a $5000 dollar tax refund (and never paid that much) went straight to the casino and lost that money.  That is a sickening abuse of the system.


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Posted 24 March 2013 - 05:17 AM

View PostRavenHawk, on 21 March 2013 - 07:44 PM, said:

Careful, your Socialist side is showing.  If you hate welfare so much, what do you think will create more welfare than the solution you just presented?
You want everyone to pay taxes, I want nobody to pay taxes, and you call me a socialist?  Like so many other posters on this board, I have to agree, you don't have a clue what socialism is.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 06:21 AM

A "flat tax" can still tax the rich and not the poor.  All "flat" means is that the rate applied to taxable income is not increased as income goes up.  A flat 25% tax is that percent of taxable income.

The key is what constitutes "taxable" income.  With deductions and exemptions and so on, it is easy to make such a system highly progressive.  What might be easiest and also "fairest" (a problematic concept) is a stiff tax -- say something like 50 percent of incomes exceeding some indexed figure like $20,000 per person in the household, with no other deductions or exemptions.


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Posted 24 March 2013 - 07:01 AM

Yeah I'm definitely of the opinion that everyone should owe a flat % tax with no loopholes.  The rich will still paying more(which will make liberals happy) and the poor will still contribute(makes the conservatives happy).  The government should then base it's spending on how much revenue it gets, not find ways to manipulate the revenue to pay for things it can't afford.





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