French Natives settled the Amercias first

[Rachael]

Watched a documentary claiming that prior to the American Indians there was a group of Europeans from France that settled the america's in the Ice Age - 20,000 years ago.

The Asian American Indian settled only 12,000 years ago.

So it was saying that The american Indians ancestors were not only asian but also European!

Bet that doesnt go down too well with them!

[Falco Rex]

Well, that would explain the stories of White-Skinned Indian Tribes, but so would interbreeding with Scandanavians or other visiting cultures..

I would have liked to see the show myself..You have to be careful, as revisionist history is still as popular as it always was..

[Rachael]

Falco - it was interesting it was based around archeologist telling the story.

I wish I had a better memory! Anyway it was based around the fact that no American archeologist ever digs below 12,000 years because they are laughed at. The american indian theory being first was the only acceptable history. Then this one dood thought - bugger it - I am going to dig down anyway.

Lo and behold he found spear heads - made the same way as the french natives did in the ice age....... then the story goes from there.

But the eskimos in Alaska have very similar tools and sewing needles as did these very inventive ice ager's.

So it was a plausible theory.

[turbonium]

Interesting story, Rachael. Do you remember what the documentary was called? Was it an Australian production? I'm totally aware of the politics of the "Native" Americans being titled as the "first" peoples here, and any evidence to the contrary is censored or detracted without even looking into it.

[Funi]

there was no France 20 000 years ago!!!!

[marduk]

lolol

the proof is in the retelling huh.

i think you guys who are unsure of their information at this point need to google "clovis culture" before you start off a new myth right here about prehistoric americans called "pierre" and "Phillipe"

http://www.der.org/films/seeking-first-americans.html

this documentary ?

Edited June 26, 2005 by marduk

[Funi]

or even Jacque and Jilles, Didier and stuff

who won the Tour De France 20 000 years ago ?

[Rachael]

http://www.utexas.edu/features/2005/archeology/

I think this is the guy on the above link - sorry if it was not France??? But France came into the story and I was watching this as 1am so I might not be completely accurate.

Anyway still, think this is the guy that was on the show - enjoy.

Cheers

[Hans Dolbrook]

there have been reports for years about stories of blond haired,blue eyed,indians

forever.just ask anybody that knows indian history.

[marduk]

http://www.utexas.edu/features/2005/archeology/

I think this is the guy on the above link - sorry if it was not France??? But France came into the story and I was watching this as 1am so I might not be completely accurate.

Anyway still, think this is the guy that was on the show - enjoy.

Cheers

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From your link

"It didn’t hurt that he usually wears a blue work shirt, sturdy khakis, suspenders and strong work boots, and a broad-brimmed hat to cover his white hair makes him look like an archeologist from central casting"

suspenders ????

sounds like a lumber jack to me

and thats ok

[Dan'O]

Whoa. There may be some truth to this. Some of the Native Americans had conical shaped skulls. Mainly Incan I think though. Then you have Bascinet Helms from france which are conical.

Conical French Helm

But I think the most compelling evidence comes from:

I come from France

[turbonium]

Whoa. There may be some truth to this. Some of the Native Americans had conical shaped skulls. Mainly Incan I think though. Then you have Bascinet Helms from france which are conical.

Conical French Helm

But I think the most compelling evidence comes from:

I come from France

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mems! mmemmss!

[turbonium]

there have been reports for years about stories of blond haired,blue eyed,indians

forever.just ask anybody that knows indian history.

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It's a political hot potato - but without doubt cultures existed in north america before the "natives" that europeans assumed were first EVER to be here!

[Shaftsbury]

There was a show on the discovery channel last night about it called The First Canadians.

The First Canadians

The Clovis point was not specifically mentioned by name, but they gave reference to a single point found in Virginia.

The second part of the theory deals with recent DNA testing done that shows a distinct marker found in about 1/4 of the native american population that is identical to a marker found in western europe.

The third part examines recent climate models that suggest that there was an ice bridge between europe and eastern Canada at the height of the last Ice Age about 17,000 years ago.

It was an interesting show.

[marduk]

Latest research shows that the french were the first in the americas

little fella called Asterix accompanied by his boy friend "Obelix" and their german colleague "Dogmatix"

iirc

Edited June 27, 2005 by marduk

[N-droe]

Hehehe, nice sense of humour Marduk. Still slapping around at everyone I see

But to remain on-topic. 20.000 years ago? How's it with that female archeologist that claimed to have found human remains from about 120.000 years old and was excommunicated from the archeological society? I think there was a passage about her in Forbidden Archeology. (perhaps I got the age of her find wrong)

Anyone know her name?

Wouldn't this mean that those first people, from France, weren't the first?

[Shaftsbury]

I doubt if we've heard the last of new discoveries on this topic.

To me it seems ludicrous to belive that we had this big chunk of the world sitting here, and nobody was able to find it until the last few thousand years.

[marduk]

I doubt if we've heard the last of new discoveries on this topic.

To me it seems ludicrous to belive that we had this big chunk of the world sitting here, and nobody was able to find it until the last few thousand years.

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if you're interested in pre common era contact with the americas this was posted as a guest article at the Robert Schoch forum last week.

http://www.robertschoch.net/sumerian_similarites/

[Shaftsbury]

Ya I actually read that last week, I think you had referenced it in a different thread, interesting read.

I think there is certainly room to accommodate most of the theories brought up in this topic.

There is no good reason that I can think of why we couldn't have had people find their way to the new world (even from France ) at different times in history even post/pre Ice Age.

If there was enough time between the events it could even account for some of the DNA evidence.

I don't think we should be looking for an exact date as to when people came to the new world, instead I think we should be looking at how many

different people were able to get here.

Of course that's just my opinion

Edited June 27, 2005 by Shaftsbury

[marduk]

Ya I actually read that last week, I think you had referenced it in a different thread, interesting read.

I think there is certainly room to accommodate most of the theories brought up in this topic.

There is no good reason that I can think of why we couldn't have had people find their way to the new world (even from France )  at different times in history even post/pre Ice Age.

If there was enough time between the events it could even account for some of  the DNA evidence.

I don't think we should be looking for an exact date as to when people came to the new world, instead I think we should be looking at how many

different people were able to get here.

Of course that's just my opinion 

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It might just be your opinion but its one we share.

Persoanally the evidence for continuous contact throughout the ages is well founded and overwhelming

[turbonium]

We'll NEVER KNOW who was first!! Sad but true - but on the bright side, we'll keep turning up even older and older cultures!!

They better keep re-editing all those Archaeology textbooks every year!! And History, and Geology, and Paleontology, and...........

[DJ_Quinn]

>Watched a documentary claiming that prior to the American Indians there was a group of Europeans from France that settled the america's in the Ice Age - 20,000 years ago. <

I suppose they wandered over the frozen bearing straight while they were hunting truffles?

[Rachael]

>Watched a documentary claiming that prior to the American Indians there was a group of Europeans from France that settled the america's in the Ice Age - 20,000 years ago. <

I suppose they wandered over the frozen bearing straight while they were hunting truffles?

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hmmm - The Atlantic Ocean was full of glaciers. But the documentary actually covered this theory. They had dressed in skins that were water proof (forgot the elk thingys name) which kept them adequately warm. They had spears and have plenty of fish and seal to eat. Fresh water - well I guess they melted Ice.

So it is not that weird a concept. The skins were sewn together with a needle and twine (they were that advanced). Ask an eskimo how they live in Alaska - I am sure it is a similar environment to what these primative men faced.

Cheers

[Mr Ed]

if you're interested in pre common era contact with the americas this was posted as a guest article at the Robert Schoch forum last week.

http://www.robertschoch.net/sumerian_similarites/

Putting this link around hey Marduk?

I don't blame you though, it is pretty damn interesting.

Edited June 29, 2005 by Mr Ed

[DJ_Quinn]

>Watched a documentary claiming that prior to the American Indians there was a group of Europeans from France that settled the america's in the Ice Age - 20,000 years ago. <

I suppose they wandered over the frozen bearing straight while they were hunting truffles?

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hmmm - The Atlantic Ocean was full of glaciers. But the documentary actually covered this theory. They had dressed in skins that were water proof (forgot the elk thingys name) which kept them adequately warm. They had spears and have plenty of fish and seal to eat. Fresh water - well I guess they melted Ice.

So it is not that weird a concept. The skins were sewn together with a needle and twine (they were that advanced). Ask an eskimo how they live in Alaska - I am sure it is a similar environment to what these primative men faced.

Cheers

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If they arrived from what is today France, then the shortest route to the Americas was across the Altantic, but where did they sail, and by what route? St. Brendan did it from Ireland in the 1100's, island hopping via Greenland & Newfoundland.

I would have liked to see the documentary. Ancient navigation is a fascinating subject, as are ancient maps.