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Scientists: MAJOR solar storms for 2012


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#1    Alienated Being

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 01:48 AM



I have heard some of his other theories, and I think this guy is a bit of a nutcase, but it is still very interesting nonetheless.


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Posted 05 October 2009 - 04:29 AM

That's what my dad thinks will happen. But i told him nawwww
I doubt anything will happen but we'll see :P


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Posted 05 October 2009 - 08:27 AM

wait that doesn't make sense

right the 11 year cycle is really the 22 year cycle (altho it doesn't really last exactly 11 or 22 years) and it breaks down like this

odd numbers are more intense than even numbers. NASA currently put cycle 24 peaking  around 2013. so its even so its should be less intense. I'm still looking into what this guy claims (altho alot of what he explains seems to be a collection of stupidly simplified or pretty bad metaphors)but I'll get back to you. I'm willing to admit I maybe incorrect and this maybe worse than first predicted but 2000-2001 when the last peak was we still had quite a few satellite up there and it was a fairly bad one and nothing was knocked out.

anyone know the date this footage is from is it the 18-12-2008 because here's NASA's predictions from earlier this year http://science.nasa....aprediction.htm looks like there is the possibility of strong solar storms even tho there is low sunspot activity predicted

well I guess i'll have to eat my words

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 01:49 PM

The solar cycle will peak in 2013, though it will be near its peak in 2012.  However, it has peaked every 11 years since the maunder minimum hundreds of years ago.  There is no reason to be concerned.

Solar flares can and have caused disruptions during these events, but again, they have happened before.  They are singular events that are over quickly, and while they can disrupt power grids and radio communication that is all they do.

I would not put too much stake in any predictions of the solar cycle, other than its period - the weird near lack of sunspots for the last year or two was completely unexpected, and we really don't rigorously understand the solar magnetosphere.


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Posted 05 October 2009 - 07:45 PM

Could it be that the peak may happen near the end of 2012 as the sun is in the plane of the milky way? Maybe the concern could be that when it goes through the plane maybe there is a chance the the resulting effect possibly because of the predicted "alignments" that the solar winds may increase in either quantity or strength.

If so, this could effect our satellites and possibly some other critical electrical systems which may cause mayhem.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 07:52 PM

yeah ive heard michio kaku talk about that before. we'll find out if it is strong enough to even effect us.
apparently they were off when they said it was supposed to be in 2000 i think.

the truth is out there....

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 08:11 PM

View PostAgent. Mulder, on 05 October 2009 - 07:52 PM, said:

apparently they were off when they said it was supposed to be in 2000 i think.

Glad you made that statement because thats why i put my post there.

I was just thinking that if the flares were to be more frequent or intense.... this could possibly in effect cause all the mayhem that was supposed to happen in 2000.
Would this effect all the nuclear bombs? Could they possibly fire on their own?

IF the flares were strong enough, it is possible that the magnetic field of Earth could be distorted.
IF so, could this possibly offset the orbit of our moon? Whereby the stablizing gravity relation of the moon to Earth could cause some of these "prophetic" floodings?

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 09:04 PM

Great, we're gonna go out like Nicholas Cage.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 11:18 PM

View PostUniversal Sight, on 05 October 2009 - 08:11 PM, said:

Glad you made that statement because thats why i put my post there.

I was just thinking that if the flares were to be more frequent or intense.... this could possibly in effect cause all the mayhem that was supposed to happen in 2000.
Would this effect all the nuclear bombs? Could they possibly fire on their own?

IF the flares were strong enough, it is possible that the magnetic field of Earth could be distorted.
IF so, could this possibly offset the orbit of our moon? Whereby the stablizing gravity relation of the moon to Earth could cause some of these "prophetic" floodings?

A distortion of the Earth's magnetic field is a temporary event - as the cloud of magnetically coupled plasma passes us, our magnetosphere resumes its original shape.

The orbit of the moon has quite literally NOTHING to do with the Earth's magnetic field - not only does it orbit entirely outside our magnetosphere, but it does not exert any net force on it at all even were it in the field.

Nukes cannot go off from a solar storm.  A solar storm would induce currents in long conductors, like power lines.  This would cause power surges and the like, and the power line circuit breakers would trip and cut off power.  Nukes have innumerable steps that must be undergone for them to detonate, and basically cannot go off accidentally.  Even were just one of the explosive charges in the core of a nuclear device to go off, without perfect timing of all the pieces and perfect working of all the components, you would get a fizzle that just acts as the nuke breaching its shell and spewing uranium around - and even that would not happen, the conductors are far too short to be damaged by even the most intense geomagnetic storm.

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Could it be that the peak may happen near the end of 2012 as the sun is in the plane of the milky way? Maybe the concern could be that when it goes through the plane maybe there is a chance the the resulting effect possibly because of the predicted "alignments" that the solar winds may increase in either quantity or strength.

The sun being in the plane of the milky way as seen from earth is meaningless.  The galactic tide on something as small as the inner solar system is basically nonexistant, and these so-called "alignments" are hokum.  They happen, they just have no physical effects.  It is worth noting that the sun passes through the plane of the galaxy as seen from Earth twice EVERY SINGLE year, and its closest alignment to the galactic center was actually several years ago.  There is nothing unique about the 2012 date.  It is also worth noting that the sun "passing through the plane of the galaxy" is an illusion in any rate - our whole solar system is displaced from the exact plane of the galaxy by 200 lightyears (at least that is the figure I remember) and we just define the "plane of the galaxy" astronomically as the line with half the stars on one side and half the stars on the other - it is physically meaningless and does not correspond to anything real.


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Posted 05 October 2009 - 11:30 PM

View PostTorgo, on 05 October 2009 - 11:18 PM, said:

A distortion of the Earth's magnetic field is a temporary event - as the cloud of magnetically coupled plasma passes us, our magnetosphere resumes its original shape.

The orbit of the moon has quite literally NOTHING to do with the Earth's magnetic field - not only does it orbit entirely outside our magnetosphere, but it does not exert any net force on it at all even were it in the field.

Nukes cannot go off from a solar storm.  A solar storm would induce currents in long conductors, like power lines.  This would cause power surges and the like, and the power line circuit breakers would trip and cut off power.  Nukes have innumerable steps that must be undergone for them to detonate, and basically cannot go off accidentally.  Even were just one of the explosive charges in the core of a nuclear device to go off, without perfect timing of all the pieces and perfect working of all the components, you would get a fizzle that just acts as the nuke breaching its shell and spewing uranium around - and even that would not happen, the conductors are far too short to be damaged by even the most intense geomagnetic storm.



The sun being in the plane of the milky way as seen from earth is meaningless.  The galactic tide on something as small as the inner solar system is basically nonexistant, and these so-called "alignments" are hokum.  They happen, they just have no physical effects.  It is worth noting that the sun passes through the plane of the galaxy as seen from Earth twice EVERY SINGLE year, and its closest alignment to the galactic center was actually several years ago.  There is nothing unique about the 2012 date.  It is also worth noting that the sun "passing through the plane of the galaxy" is an illusion in any rate - our whole solar system is displaced from the exact plane of the galaxy by 200 lightyears (at least that is the figure I remember) and we just define the "plane of the galaxy" astronomically as the line with half the stars on one side and half the stars on the other - it is physically meaningless and does not correspond to anything real.


Great stuff right there....i dont care who you are......


It makes me wonder what will be the next great big scare tactic or timestamp will be.

Will they have to go back and re-read or re-study all those quatrains? calenders? to be able to say...ooops we misread it is really 2050!

Edited by Universal Sight, 05 October 2009 - 11:32 PM.

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 03:58 AM

View PostUniversal Sight, on 05 October 2009 - 07:45 PM, said:

Could it be that the peak may happen near the end of 2012 as the sun is in the plane of the milky way? Maybe the concern could be that when it goes through the plane maybe there is a chance the the resulting effect possibly because of the predicted "alignments" that the solar winds may increase in either quantity or strength.
How does that work then?

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 12:45 PM

View PostUniversal Sight, on 05 October 2009 - 11:30 PM, said:

Great stuff right there....i dont care who you are......


It makes me wonder what will be the next great big scare tactic or timestamp will be.

Will they have to go back and re-read or re-study all those quatrains? calenders? to be able to say...ooops we misread it is really 2050!

That's very likely to happen. The "oops we misread" is the usual fringe excuse anyway.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 04:15 AM

Not more 2012 conspiracy theories. This reminds me how everybody thought that computers everywhere were going to crash back in 2000 for the turn of the millenium, Everybody said planes would collide into each other etc etc, Guess what.. nothing happened. Just like nothing is going to happen in 2012. But even after nothing happens then it wil be in 2020. Even if such an event were to happen we have very little control over it.


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Posted 09 October 2009 - 01:11 AM

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Not more 2012 conspiracy theories. This reminds me how everybody thought that computers everywhere were going to crash back in 2000 for the turn of the millenium, Everybody said planes would collide into each other etc etc, Guess what.. nothing happened. Just like nothing is going to happen in 2012. But even after nothing happens then it wil be in 2020.

And I just can't wait until 2060 rolls around, and people start screaming that Newton said the world could end before that date... he was a brilliant man, but he went off the deep end in his later years.


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Posted 09 October 2009 - 08:23 PM

its nothing our earth cant stand though. we were hit by some big ones within the last 9 years, but ya didnt hear about them because not much happened. our ionosphere will protect us, or filter anything out.

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