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[Obviousman]

Err..

Nos 1,2,3 are YES, altho I don't think the VARB are a big problem. The answer to #4 is 'It will never happen".

There were only 3 questions. The first two can be YES / NO answers, but the third one asks you to state what you would say to someone if you did believe the landings were genuine. If you say "It will never happen", that would indicate you are dogmatic and unable to reason. I certainly can envisage changing my mind if evidence ever surfaces; it's just that so far all the evidence points for it being real. But I digress.

With respect to your theory, might I suggest it be moved to a new thread? Some interesting talking points there but to begin, just let me state:

1. I'm Australian, not a US citizen.
2. I'm an atheist.
3. I'm very liberal.
4. I just have a high school education.

Edited by Obviousman, 08 August 2009 - 11:51 AM.

[MID]

Just a side note...

KennyB, on Aug 8 2009, 06:24 AM, said:

O.M.,  I'm going to answer your questions. Nos 1,2,3 are YES, altho I don't think the VARB are a big problem. The answer to #4 is 'It will never happen". Even tho I know that you, MID, aquatus and the rest of you brainiacs have more education than me, I don't think you're any smarter. I have a 134 IQ, I am no fool.

IQ has never been a measure of intelligence, Kenny.
It is a measure of potential, and it is highly debatable.

I have known several idiots with high IQs...

Edited by MID, 08 August 2009 - 09:34 PM.

[KennyB]

MID, So have I. In fact, I've run into several of them on this forum. KennyB

[flyingswan]

KennyB, on Aug 8 2009, 11:24 AM, said:

I have a 134 IQ, I am no fool.

The fact that the one fact does not support the other is shown by the existance of the MENSA organisation - a group of people with high IQs who are foolish enough to think that they have to pay to join an organisation or else their high IQs would go unnoticed.

Edited by flyingswan, 09 August 2009 - 04:22 PM.

[Peter B]

I just had a few more words I wanted to say to this:

KennyB, on Aug 8 2009, 04:22 AM, said:

Why do you always say,' Prove it', or,' Do you have evidence'?

Which do you think is better: "Believe me; here's the evidence," or "Believe me, because I said so"?

[KennyB]

Peter, How about, believe me or not, it makes no difference to me. I'm retired. I'm on the computer 10-12 hours a day, every day, surfing. I pick up a little info here and there that might apply to one of the threads on this forum or another. I may post it, purely as conversation. If it interests somebody, let them follow up on it. For the ones that are not interested, forget it. I'm not trying to educate anybody or convince them of anything. I can't understand why I get so much animosity.  Like I said, if you don't like it, move on. It's nothing world-shaking, anyway. KennyB

[KennyB]

FlyingSwan,  What's wrong with that?  People pay to join groups all the time. One that comes to mind is 'hunting clubs'. I used to be a member of a hunting club that had about 1500 members. About 500 of them didn't hunt. I guess they joined for the companionship. Look at all the people that join gym clubs and wellness.  They go a few times and never come back but they continue to pay dues. As to the Mensas. I.Q. may not be a measure of intelligence but I'll bet you $100 that every member of that club is considered to be an 'intelligent person'.  Which would you bet on to be a 'smart' person, one with a 60 IQ or one with 120 IQ? Which would you rather be? You say you know some high IQ idiots? Do you know any low IQ geniuses?  KennyB

[flyingswan]

KennyB, on Aug 10 2009, 06:27 PM, said:

FlyingSwan,  What's wrong with that?  People pay to join groups all the time. One that comes to mind is 'hunting clubs'. I used to be a member of a hunting club that had about 1500 members. About 500 of them didn't hunt. I guess they joined for the companionship. Look at all the people that join gym clubs and wellness.  They go a few times and never come back but they continue to pay dues. As to the Mensas. I.Q. may not be a measure of intelligence but I'll bet you $100 that every member of that club is considered to be an 'intelligent person'.  Which would you bet on to be a 'smart' person, one with a 60 IQ or one with 120 IQ? Which would you rather be? You say you know some high IQ idiots? Do you know any low IQ geniuses?

There was a bit of history of the UK branch of MENSA, last time it really hit the headlines (1960s), that suggested that most of the membership were high IQ fools.

However, you seem to be misunderstanding the distinction I'm making between IQ and foolishness.  I'm not arguing that IQ isn't linked to intelligence, which seems to be the supposition behind your reply.  (That was MID's argument).  The opposite of fool isn't genius, it's wise man, and there's no reason someone with low IQ can't gain a bit of wisdom, or someone with a high IQ conspicuously lack it.

Edited by flyingswan, 10 August 2009 - 06:54 PM.

[KennyB]

FlyingSwan,  Just because 'some other people' said the U.K. Mensa group was a bunch of fools means nothing. Ever hear of jealously? At best it was just an opinion.  As to some fools being wise and some intelligent people not being wise, I'd have to agree. It would all hinge on what a true definition of what 'wise' is. It sorta falls into a gray area like 'intelligent' does. Like 'beauty', it may be in the eye of the beholder.  KennyB

[flyingswan]

KennyB, on Aug 10 2009, 09:01 PM, said:

FlyingSwan,  Just because 'some other people' said the U.K. Mensa group was a bunch of fools means nothing. Ever hear of jealously? At best it was just an opinion.

Where did I mention "some other people"?  The activities of MENSA members as reported in the media at the time, ie a childish and ill-natured squabble over the leadership of the organisation, led me to form my own opinion.

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As to some fools being wise and some intelligent people not being wise, I'd have to agree.

You're still getting it mixed up.  How can a fool be wise?

[KennyB]

I was thinking more of native people. They might not be wise in our environment, but in their own, they could be very wise. Somehow, I'm feeling that wise has a lot to do with other factors besides intelligence. For instance, you can make a decision to do something. At the time, you and everybody else thinks it was a wise decision. Later, maybe even years later, some factor you didn't think was important, causes your decision to be the cause of a calamity. I'm thinking of Hitler's decision to cancel the invasion of England. That one unwise decision caused a string of events to occur, causing him to lose the war. What I'm trying to say is, for a decision to be wise, it has to be wise over a long period of time.  KennyB

[MID]

I think we've diverted from the import of this thread a bit.

We've gotten into a discussion about IQ, when it was supposed to be about Obviousman's three questions to HBs....

Edited by MID, 12 August 2009 - 12:16 AM.

[Obviousman]

Kenny, please take your comments and theories to a new thread unless they directly relate to my questions, please.

Thank you.

[digitalartist]

KennyB, on 08 August 2009 - 10:24 AM, said:

O.M.,  I'm going to answer your questions. Nos 1,2,3 are YES, altho I don't think the VARB are a big problem. The answer to #4 is 'It will never happen". Even tho I know that you, MID, aquatus and the rest of you brainiacs have more education than me, I don't think you're any smarter. I have a 134 IQ, I am no fool. I also have a suspicious nature. I have my own theory. I'm going to share it with you. You can take it or leave it. The American people are a setup for a 'Big Con'. They have been brainwashed from birth, starting with that religious bunk, which teaches you to trust your 'leaders', that you have no control over your life, that Mama and the President are always right and 'true blue', in spite of all evidence to the contrary.Any info. that comes from an authority figure is the same as if it came directly from God. Most people in the U.S. have an education level of about 6th grade, if that. History has been warped and distorted from at least 2000 years ago. The history that most people think they know is at least 75% untrue. Their understanding of the world around them, including politics , is about 95% untrue. Their knowledge of religion is 100% untrue. They really know almost nothing, but they think they know everything. O.K., lets get to something else.
    By the time WW2 ended, our PTB had learned that the Germans were light years ahead of us in technology. In fact, they had no-fuel engines, flying saucers, the beginnings of particle beam weapons, the beginnings of lazers, etc. We, and the Russians grabbed every bit of that technology we could find plus the people that made it. In a short time, we had progressed to the point that we could send satellites into orbit or maybe to the moon. I'm not forgetting the ICBMs. They had to come up with a way to separate this technology into civilian and military, and find a way to finance it. They decided to use the rockets from the ICBMs as power units for 'space ships'. At the same time, they started on their 'black projects' of developing the captured German technology. It would be like in the days of the sailing ships, you continued to build wooden battleships in the open while secretly building metal submarines. Now, the secret military projects have produced all the fantastic inventions that the Germans started and several of their own. They can fly into space at will and have all these super weapons. But they still have to keep building those wooden battleships to fool the public. That's where the Viking and Apollo projects come in. They are useless projects, their only use is to cover up the REAL work being done at Area 51, Montauk and other hidden places. Now Generals and Admirals love to fight. They are jumping up and down to get a chance to show off their new weapons. Several more bad things are lining up, too. A big population reduction thru a bio-engineered plague. A possible war with China. That's why I doubt they'll ever make those next moonshots. There won't be anything left to make them. Oh, I'm sure there'll be survivors. There'll be a few thousand of the 'Elite" and a few million of their 'slaves' to start things off again. Well, that's my theory, have fun with it. KennyB

Well having a high IQ hasn't diminished your capacity for fantasy.  There is no evidence to support your statements about Germany and a logic to disprove it.  If Germany had those things they would not have lost WWII.  They would have shot down every enemy plane and sunk every enemy ship.  Besides, If all these things existed and with the shoddy state of Russian security some terrorist group would long ago have obtained those items and technology and things would be far different now.