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#31    Hasina

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:09 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 20 February 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:


allegedly. :tu:
Well, when it comes to questions like these I do like to answer then even though I'm pretty agnostic in my views. So, to answer them, I usually base my post around the view point of trying to answer the question in a logical manner without just going 'well, I dunno if he's real or not'. That 'allegedly' let's me keep the topic going while still holding up a flag saying 'though in my views I don't really know'.

Sorry to seem like I'm explaining it to you Free, I'm more explaining for myself and others who may see my post as support for the belief of a God.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:17 PM

View PostHasina, on 20 February 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

Well, when it comes to questions like these I do like to answer then even though I'm pretty agnostic in my views. So, to answer them, I usually base my post around the view point of trying to answer the question in a logical manner without just going 'well, I dunno if he's real or not'. That 'allegedly' let's me keep the topic going while still holding up a flag saying 'though in my views I don't really know'.

Sorry to seem like I'm explaining it to you Free, I'm more explaining for myself and others who may see my post as support for the belief of a God.
Fully understood.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:04 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 20 February 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

Well, yes, but then he's not omnipotent since he can lift his rock -- he wasn't able to build it.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:20 PM

"Ominipotent" is often misconstrued as an inherent contradiction, yet it is not.

This often missed element is that "Omnipotence is combinded with Omniscience", which, essentially, say's that there is Wisdom before the expression of Power.

As such, God creating a rock He can not lift is void by virtue of Wisdom.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:33 PM

Your gun can kill another. That's POWER.

However, you must decide whether or not to pull the trigger. That's Wisdom, or not(being human)


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:03 AM

I remember this question. This is how I think of it.

View PostKazahel, on 02 November 2010 - 04:00 PM, said:

I guess it depends on what you think is God. I tend to think of God as inside everybody and we are inside His body(almost like dreams of His).

So the little h, as in he, means little god(to me)which is inside everyone. Big H/He means Him(the main dreamer/creator). So He can create a stone so heavy he cannot lift it.

So if you basically think of God as being you(he)and also the creator(He)..(so linked together), then He can experience the impossible through you just as you experience the possible through Him.


So He can create a stone so heavy he cannot lift it.


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:14 AM

The quote about the lever is from Archimedes. not Socrates or Plato.


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:34 AM

God is a spirit and also he created and formed the earth. There is one helluva big rock there.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 09:24 AM

View Postdanielost, on 20 February 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

There is one thing god cannot do.  That is do evil.
God might not be able to do evil but he willingly let it happen when he set us loose on Earth.

Shooting yourself in the foot willingly and then crying about the pain is stupid.

Edited by Sean93, 21 February 2013 - 09:29 AM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:33 AM

View Postdanielost, on 20 February 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

There is one thing god cannot do.  That is do evil.
Read the story of Job...conspiring with the devil to destroy a man...sounds evil to me.

What could possibly go wrong?

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:41 AM

View Postpallidin, on 20 February 2013 - 11:33 PM, said:

Your gun can kill another. That's POWER.

However, you must decide whether or not to pull the trigger. That's Wisdom, or not(being human)
Thanks for putting that in...uhmmm...laywoman terms, I couldn't wrap my head around the other explanation :blush:

What could possibly go wrong?

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:46 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 20 February 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

Do you not understand the problem or are you just stubborn?
I'm attempting a paradox that'll consume this thread in the fires of reuncreation.

I must not fear. Fear is the Mind-Killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
When the fear is gone, there will be nothing.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:47 AM

View PostIdano, on 21 February 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

Read the story of Job...conspiring with the devil to destroy a man...sounds evil to me.
Not the Devil. An Angel whose job it was/is to be "devil's advocate" to say rhings inentionally defiant to ghe thoughts/will of the person they're talking to in order to ensure justice is done.

I must not fear. Fear is the Mind-Killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
When the fear is gone, there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:52 PM

View PostIdano, on 21 February 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:


Read the story of Job...conspiring with the devil to destroy a man...sounds evil to me.

Except, he knew it wouldn't destroy Job.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:07 PM

View Postdanielost, on 20 February 2013 - 09:14 AM, said:

The simple answer is no.

Socraties or Plato(I get them mixed up) said,"give me a big enough lever and I can move he earth."
Thus not only can't god make a rock he can't move, he can't make one I can't move

What is a rock?
If you chip a bit off it is it still a rock?
At what point does it cease to be a rock if you keep chipping?

If a rock was a real thing you'd be able to define the point at which it ceases to be a rock. As you cant it shows a rock is just an idea in your head and thus your statement is logically flawed.

To produce a logically correct statement you'd first need to show something objectively exists. Good luck with that lol.

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 21 February 2013 - 02:08 PM.





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