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#136    JimOberg

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 10:54 AM

View Postquillius, on 21 December 2012 - 09:49 AM, said:

confirmation that McKinnons story is just an embelishment of Hares story. I am not trying to figure out why you view Hares story as unworthy of belief, I am more interested in knowing how and why you are confident that McKinnons is just an embelishment of Hares.
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OK.

If Hare's story is plausible, or even merely of indeterminate plausibility, a similar story from another source could be similar because it is based on independent use of original material that also led to Hare's story, and it becomes evidence for independent corroboration. This would be important and significant.

But if Hare's story is at its heart based on impossible physics, optics, or history, then there IS no 'original material' behind it, no idependent way that another person could have obtained the same story by other means. The only source of a Hare-brained-like story is Hare's own brain. And any variations on it are merely elaborations or garbles by the person who came up with the second story, a person self-described as spending a lot of time during that research being high on drugs.

Hence my interest in establishing that Hare's description of having seen a single photograph showing a 'white circle' of a scale small enough that trees were also discernable together with their own shadows, cannot have happened because photos of that sharp resolution never existed in NASA archives of that period for the purpose explicitly claimed by Hare, commercial releasse to the public.

If they had, you'd be able to find examples. And after a decade of search by many originally hopeful pro-UFO investigators, none have ever been found.

By demolishing the existence of any authentic Hare source for her story, you demolish the credibility of anyone claiming to have ALSO found such a source.

QED.


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Posted 21 December 2012 - 11:29 AM

View PostJimOberg, on 21 December 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

OK.

If Hare's story is plausible, or even merely of indeterminate plausibility, a similar story from another source could be similar because it is based on independent use of original material that also led to Hare's story, and it becomes evidence for independent corroboration. This would be important and significant.

thanks, I understand your reasoning now, at first it seemed like a blatant strawman.

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But if Hare's story is at its heart based on impossible physics, optics, or history, then there IS no 'original material' behind it, no idependent way that another person could have obtained the same story by other means. The only source of a Hare-brained-like story is Hare's own brain. And any variations on it are merely elaborations or garbles by the person who came up with the second story, a person self-described as spending a lot of time during that research being high on drugs.

ok let me try this, lets assume she was told about the building and what went on. She then embelished this with saying she 'saw' xy and z (things that dont seem possible i.e. tree shadows).....these embelishments however do not seem repeated by McKinnon.

View PostJimOberg, on 21 December 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

Hence my interest in establishing that Hare's description of having seen a single photograph showing a 'white circle' of a scale small enough that trees were also discernable together with their own shadows, cannot have happened because photos of that sharp resolution never existed in NASA archives of that period for the purpose explicitly claimed by Hare, commercial releasse to the public.

If they had, you'd be able to find examples. And after a decade of search by many originally hopeful pro-UFO investigators, none have ever been found.

I may be paranoid here but you have consistantly used similar phrasing with regards to the archives. Maybe you are right they never existed for that PURPOSE, and were never due to be released to the public as claimed by Hare...is this embelishment on her behalf again. Can I just ask you straight out (for claritys sake/paranoias sake)....did NASA have capabilities to take high res images..maybe not to the extent of shadows (embelishment) but certainly high res?

View PostJimOberg, on 21 December 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

By demolishing the existence of any authentic Hare source for her story, you demolish the credibility of anyone claiming to have ALSO found such a source.

QED.

At this point I see the only link between Hare and McKinnon to be ' a NASA source', I cannot link McKinnn to the embelishment by Hare as he never mentions trees/shadows...just airbrushing, cigar shapes and building 8....which IMO is not dismissed due to possible detail embelishments by Hare


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Posted 21 December 2012 - 11:58 AM

I notice she also claims that they were pine trees...so not just trees but she was able to discern the type....hmmmm

Jim, do you know when she is talking about both month and year?


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Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:09 PM

There was a NASA-JSC program in the 1970s to distribute Landsat program imagery for agricultural and other land use assessment.  But when you look up that program, the ground resolution was in the 10's of meters, making individual tree discernment impossible. It wasn't a matter of arbitrary limitation -- it was the hardware involved. NASA also had surface photography from the Skylab space program, in a project called EREP, but if you look it up, it had the same fundamental resolution limits. Aside from hand-held imagery, which also was all releasable, that's it. Nolthing like the modern commercial systems with half-meter resolution, that was h/w generations later.


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Posted 22 December 2012 - 01:38 AM

Why do people think they can just hack in to a secure government system over the internet and find some important data?

Trust me, no system containing real secret (or even a few levels lower) classified data has even touched the internet.  To even have a chance of "hacking" a secure network and getting anything remotely useful you would have to get past physical security first, without being noticed. Governments and militaries aren't stupid, even if they seem that way at times. They are very good at misdirection and hiding things.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 08:52 PM

View PostFinity, on 22 December 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

Why do people think they can just hack in to a secure government system over the internet and find some important data?

Trust me, no system containing real secret (or even a few levels lower) classified data has even touched the internet.  To even have a chance of "hacking" a secure network and getting anything remotely useful you would have to get past physical security first, without being noticed. Governments and militaries aren't stupid, even if they seem that way at times. They are very good at misdirection and hiding things.
Hell, here at Intel we have firewall after firewall to prevent virus and intrusion and that is only to protect files with long strings of variables, not even actual data.

I agree that if there was any real alien data or files or photos they would not be kept on a system that had internet access.

Here at Intel we make processors on 12 inch wafers. And, the individual processors on the wafers are called die. And, I am employed to check these die. That is why I am the DieChecker.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 05:17 AM

View Postsynchronomy, on 15 December 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

I can't help but think there's more to this than just a lucky break for this guy.  I think he knows something and he's traded his silence for his freedom.  If he went to trial, he could sing like a bird even if it's a load of lies, and cause all manner of diplomatic problems.  Now that he is probably read the wikileaks stuff, he could embellish the stories even more and big brother would have a b**** of a time proving him wrong without giving up the real secrets.  I think it's BS that he's let off on compassionate grounds.

Hacker McKinnon will not face charges in the UK after US extradition blocked

Computer hacker Gary McKinnon will not face criminal charges in the UK, the country’s top prosecutor has said, two months after his extradition to America was blocked.

http://www.telegraph...on-blocked.html



He has managed to escape Justice or a few reasons. One is that his charges are trumped up. Everyone knows that the law is going especially hard on him because he both is the first one caught (most amateurish) and because he preyed on gullible people to try and evade justice - that being anyone blinded enough by a love of the UFO/ET phenomena to believe whatever crap he spouted.

Yes, he used all the UFO buffs as patsies, and they gladly accommodated him. Those people ought to be felling very stupid right now, but pride will make them insist that despite a total lack of evidence, what McKinnnon told them, they will believe. It is sad really. No logic or reasoning from an IT perspective can help these people because this also seems beyond far too many people, thanks so freaking such for removing computer skills Mr Gates and automating everything for the masses so everyone who has ever right clicked seems to think they are an IT Admin.

But the main reason is they, the McKinnons, have effectively blackmailed the system. McKinnons mother has said he will suicide in Guantanamo. Lets say he got life, maybe a bit harsh I agree, but considering his position, not altogether surprising. Lets say he did think this was a waste of an existence and offed himself, or a terrorist offed him.

How much do you think his Mum would be worth? The order of billions, and a martyrs support group. He has already sucked in the more gullible UFO people, how hard will it be to push the issue if a genuine altercation leads to tragic circumstances? The potential for unrest over what was no more then ever a lie is too great to risk. He took advantage of the gullible, and then blackmailed the system. Guantanamo is too good for this manipulative so and so IMHO.

Lets face it. It's not rocket science. If you have a good mouthpiece, you can beat the justice system. McKinnon did just that. He ought to be tarred and feathered.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 05:19 AM

View PostColoradoParanormal, on 16 December 2012 - 12:53 AM, said:

Psyche - Do you remember the days of Wardriving? Having to dial in to each network you wanted to access via amazing 8bit land line? lol!


LOL, do I. The symbol here used to be a pigs head in a circle. I spent most of my time protecting against such, had a few chuckles in my time with some noobs too. They forget hacking can be 2 way LOL.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 05:22 AM

View Postsynchronomy, on 16 December 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

I agree.
...and I know some members figure he saw nothing by using his Mom's old dial-up modem.  That's true.  But when I refer to possible "secrets" he may have uncovered, I'm not thinking in terms of UFO's specifically.  In fact I doubt that.  I would think IF there is some coverup in place regarding this, the files would be under such strict control no one could ever hack in.
There could have been any number of text documents he could have seen.  It may be difficult for the authorities to determine exactly what was viewed.  I can well imagine that if he accessed a lot of PC's which had no passwords in place, some of the owners of those machines may well have realized it and erased his tracks to cover their own ass.
My point about the Wikileaks stuff, is that he could have viewed them (very likely) since they were released, and made up some very embellished tales that would put authorities in a nasty position.  McKinnon would have likely pulled all the stops to defend himself.
I bet every time he uses a computer for the rest of his life, big brother will be monitoring his every move.

One thing's for sure.  He won't be travelling to the USA anytime soon for a vacation!


Yet he never backed anything up, never had an offsite offshore location, hell the pron people caught onto that decades ago, and no ISP backups to prove his claims?


All we have is a lousy story we have all heard before?


I really find that hard to believe from and admin point of view. the BOFH would have fried him by now.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 05:53 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 16 December 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

The UFO records I was shown were definitely not on the Internet, but then no such thing existed back then.

I do not know what agency or organization is really in charge of them, but I can definitely tell you that someone is--or at least they were way back then.  They seemed to have the UFO records from many different agencies, including the FBI, CIA, DIA, the Army, and so on.  At least they had copies of them.

I have always thought that what I saw was part of the real UFO investigation, whatever it was really called, but we know from the record that it certainly existed at a very highly classified level.  All of those UFO records were certainly going SOMEWHERE, and it sure wasn't Blue Book.  LOL


One place such records are not going to be is on an incomplete (how McKinon hacked in) brand new installation. I cannot see top brass getting Microsoft people in to transfer top secret files to desktops without an admin password on them.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 05:58 AM

View PostDredimus, on 16 December 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

  I have to agree with this... coming from some one who works within the realm of the government, especially on the security side of things. This story is full of holes on so many levels... When you sit down at a desk and are given a computer, that computer is leased to you. The first thing you have to do is register it on the domain by inputting a user name and password. Those leasing the machines are not given an option, especially on secure networks. Its not like these guys bring their personal computers in and are setup and ready to go. Any "classified" or "confidential" information is kept not on their computers but on servers...  you would have to gain access to their servers... which I can promise you are not left wide open. Even the most basic of government systems (ill use JPAS for this example, its a government server that houses the clearances levels and info on EVERYONE with a government issued security clearance). In order to log into JPAS you have always had to have an issued username and password that rotated from time to time... and those restrictions have gotten tighter... in order to log in now you have to have a certified PKI certificate.  So, like I said... full of holes..


Edit: heh, guess I should have checked the date on the posts... im still asleep me thinks...

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And the holes are never ending. To an extent I blame Microsoft for automating systems to a point where a person does not have to know what a graphics card is, let alone give one values. Windows took away any need to understand a computer at all.

And you can bet that confidential servers, which I am sure do exist for good reason, are not running Windows ;) A terminal Services client is not going to get into that sort of system.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 06:01 AM

View PostNuke_em, on 17 December 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

Do you maybe think that this intranet is some sort of sub network to WWW... like a private secured network accesible only by certain IDs from gov. officals?
They still can access the internet but through diffrent way?


Pssst...

Google dark fibre, deep web and dark net. I think you'll get a kick out of it ;)

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 06:04 AM

View PostCoffey, on 17 December 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

What?!

The correct term for that is "lost". Not stolen.

Something cannot be stolen unless it is proven that someone took it without permission. He did not take anything.

It is not lost when you have the sole person responsible. What is the difference between deleting something, or taking it and using it up?

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 06:08 AM

View PostCuriousGreek, on 17 December 2012 - 09:55 PM, said:

Is it so easy to break NASA's codes??

It was a brand new installation of Windows with and unprotected admin account. Any person in the world could have gone the the Microsoft Website, downloaded the free remote access client, logged into NASA, typed in ADMINISTRATOR and used a blank password. Just like logging onto any Windows system except I doubt too many people still have a blank admin account.

Yeah, child's play really. That's why I keep pointing a finger back at Bill Gates and wondering why he is not at all implicated. I am sure NASA paid a pretty penny for a personalised system. I think that NASA should be able to sue Microsoft as well as lock up McKinnon.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 06:09 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 17 December 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

One thing about his supposed list of Officers from another world is that the document could have been for someone roleplaying, writing fiction or even just reading a book. I know that I sometime make lists of stuff at work for roleplaying games I do with friends. And when I used to play WOW, I'd make lists of people who I considered safe, or friends. And I can imagine someone doing something similar while building up information and making an outline for a sci-fi book. I just think this because if someone cracked into my work desktop and looked at the word docs and excel sheets they would see some fairly exotic looking stuff. So it seems to reason that other do that too.


Hey DC

To be perfectly honest, I do not think he got that far. I think he was too busy with the acts of bravado that brought him down.

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