Jump to content




Welcome to Unexplained Mysteries! Please sign in or create an account to start posting and to access a host of extra features.


* * * * * 1 votes

Woman,127, becomes world's 'oldest person'

leandra becerra lumbreras

  • Please log in to reply
57 replies to this topic

#31    Calibeliever

Calibeliever

    Astral Projection

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 651 posts
  • Joined:23 Oct 2008
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Up here

  • The greatest of faults, I should say, is to be conscious of none. - Thomas Carlyle

Posted 02 September 2014 - 07:04 PM

View PostAshyne, on 31 August 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

This article is nonsense! It is common knowledge that the people mentioned in the Bible (before the Flood) often lived hundreds of years, even 1000 years of age was common.
I love the use of the word "nonsense" right before quoting the Bible as historical record. Hilarious.


#32    Insaniac

Insaniac

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,060 posts
  • Joined:11 Dec 2008
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:United Kingdom

Posted 02 September 2014 - 09:02 PM

View PostCalibeliever, on 02 September 2014 - 07:04 PM, said:

I love the use of the word "nonsense" right before quoting the Bible as historical record. Hilarious.

You're blind to scripture. Of course you don't understand it.

"He is wise in heart and mighty in strength. Who has hardened their heart against Him, and succeeded"? ~ Job 9:4

#33    Calibeliever

Calibeliever

    Astral Projection

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 651 posts
  • Joined:23 Oct 2008
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Up here

  • The greatest of faults, I should say, is to be conscious of none. - Thomas Carlyle

Posted 02 September 2014 - 09:09 PM

View PostInsaniac, on 02 September 2014 - 09:02 PM, said:

You're blind to scripture. Of course you don't understand it.
LOL you don't know anything about me. I think if you go look through my older posts here you'll find I know a helluva lot about scripture. Both the Hebrew mythos and the Christian. I was raised on it and have studied it on and off for decades. Once again the ironic use of a word. In this case "blind". Hahaha


#34    Insaniac

Insaniac

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,060 posts
  • Joined:11 Dec 2008
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:United Kingdom

Posted 02 September 2014 - 09:15 PM

View PostCalibeliever, on 02 September 2014 - 09:09 PM, said:

LOL you don't know anything about me. I think if you go look through my older posts here you'll find I know a helluva lot about scripture. Both the Hebrew mythos and the Christian. I was raised on it and have studied it on and off for decades. Once again the ironic use of a word. In this case "blind". Hahaha

If you've studied it, you haven't understood it as to mock Ashyne. There's nothing nonsensical about scripture like your prior post implies.

"He is wise in heart and mighty in strength. Who has hardened their heart against Him, and succeeded"? ~ Job 9:4

#35    Calibeliever

Calibeliever

    Astral Projection

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 651 posts
  • Joined:23 Oct 2008
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Up here

  • The greatest of faults, I should say, is to be conscious of none. - Thomas Carlyle

Posted 02 September 2014 - 09:36 PM

View PostInsaniac, on 02 September 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

If you've studied it, you haven't understood it as to mock Ashyne. There's nothing nonsensical about scripture like your prior post implies.
If you want me to take you seriously then you have to be willing to do the same. Telling me I don't understand something is just a flippant insult and will be treated accordingly.

To reply to your idea of "understanding" scripture. There are two ways to approach this. Seeking to understand what scripture is telling me, both historically and spiritually though an intellectual pursuit, and simply believing everything that is written as a cold hard fact.

I'll give you one of my favorite examples. Matthew 19:24. "... I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

A logical person would conclude that it is impossible to put a camel through the eye of a needle of course. But a needle was also the name of an opening in the side wall of a city. It was roughly the height of a man and about two shoulder widths wide.

That small fact completely changes the entire meaning. Now we see that I CAN get a camel through there but I first have to unload all of it's worldly possessions and lead it through very slowly and gently on it's knees. An uncomfortable thing to do for camels. But it doesn't defy the laws of physics.

I don't mock scripture. I take it very seriously in many, many ways. But you have to study it with the understanding that it was written by people who lived very differently, a looong time ago. And it's been translated and modified through the ages. The study of it takes a lifetime and it's not a weapon you should use too often to support your myopic point of view. There are those of us who will turn it back on you and bite you in the ass with it.

Edited by Calibeliever, 02 September 2014 - 09:40 PM.


#36    Insaniac

Insaniac

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,060 posts
  • Joined:11 Dec 2008
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:United Kingdom

Posted 02 September 2014 - 10:51 PM

View PostCalibeliever, on 02 September 2014 - 09:36 PM, said:

If you want me to take you seriously then you have to be willing to do the same.

You stated, and I quote: "I love the use of the word "nonsense" right before quoting the Bible as historical record. Hilarious". You realize this implies you believe the Bible is nonsense don't you? Which is fine, but it's not factual that the Bible is nonsense, just opinion. So please don't present your opinion as if it were 100% factual. Thank you.
  

Quote

Telling me I don't understand something is just a flippant insult and will be treated accordingly.

To understand the Bible means you've studied it in it's entirety, meaning you understand all scriptures. I humbly believe that if you understood the Bible, you wouldn't imply it was nonsense. Better yet, if you understand the Word, please, prove it. :)

Quote

To reply to your idea of "understanding" scripture. There are two ways to approach this. Seeking to understand what scripture is telling me, both historically and spiritually though an intellectual pursuit, and simply believing everything that is written as a cold hard fact.

1st Corinthians 2:10 states that it is God's Holy Spirit that reveals to us the deep things of the Word. The Truth behind each scripture is literally revealed to us by God Himself. This is what the Bible teaches and what I believe. No need, necessarily, to go on an intellectual and/or historical pursuit when the Lord will simply teach you through His Spirit, as long as we study and search with all of our heart. ~ Deuteronomy 4:29

I encourage you to keep studying, my friend. Search with all your heart.

Quote

I'll give you one of my favorite examples. Matthew 19:24. "... I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God". A logical person would conclude that it is impossible to put a camel through the eye of a needle of course. But a needle was also the name of an opening in the side wall of a city. It was roughly the height of a man and about two shoulder widths wide.

That is correct. A brilliant piece of information and great sermon material, with the parallels of coming to God on our knees without all our baggage.


Quote

That small fact completely changes the entire meaning. Now we see that I CAN get a camel through there but I first have to unload all of it's worldly possessions and lead it through very slowly and gently on it's knees. An uncomfortable thing to do for camels. But it doesn't defy the laws of physics.

True, but your original post still seems to imply you think the Word of God is nonsensical.

Quote

I don't mock scripture. I take it very seriously in many, many ways. But you have to study it with the understanding that it was written by people who lived very differently, a looong time ago.

I believe it was written by the Holy Spirit through a number of different people, as it teaches. ~ 2nd Timothy 3:16, 2nd Peter 1:20-21, John 14:25-26


Quote

And it's been translated and modified through the ages.

It's been translated from language to language for all peoples to understand. Never modified to the point that we don't truly understand it today, for I believe God's Spirit wouldn't permit that to happen. Plus, Born-Again Believer's understand the Bible just fine, for we have God's Spirit operating within us, along with the Lord revealing His Word.

Quote

The study of it takes a lifetime and it's not a weapon you should use too often to support your myopic point of view.

Believe me, the Lord isn't short-sighted in regards His own Word, nor am I.


Quote

There are those of us who will turn it back on you and bite you in the ass with it.

Such as? The only people that came to mind are Catholic's, but they follow a False Christianity anyway I believe. I believe Catholicism is the religion of the Anti-Christ.

Other than those and maybe Mormon's, no one else comes to mind.

"He is wise in heart and mighty in strength. Who has hardened their heart against Him, and succeeded"? ~ Job 9:4

#37    Calibeliever

Calibeliever

    Astral Projection

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 651 posts
  • Joined:23 Oct 2008
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Up here

  • The greatest of faults, I should say, is to be conscious of none. - Thomas Carlyle

Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:21 PM

You and I are so far apart and this isn't the forum. Believe it or not I wasn't so different from you a long time ago. But today I seek knowledge not believe. Knowledge can be changed with new evidence. Belief is static and will ignore evidence to protect itself. You actually have the stones to claim to know what God thinks. Unbelievable. You have a lot of quick responses but they feel rehearsed.

BTW, since you brought it up what's your beef with Catholics and Mormons? Don't they have the right to be just as sure as you that they have it figured out?

No my friend I'm pretty sure it's you that doesn't understand scripture. I think your head has been filled up so much that nothing new can get in. Sad.

Cheers


#38    Insaniac

Insaniac

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,060 posts
  • Joined:11 Dec 2008
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:United Kingdom

Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:48 PM

View PostCalibeliever, on 02 September 2014 - 11:21 PM, said:

You and I are so far apart and this isn't the forum. Believe it or not I wasn't so different from you a long time ago. But today I seek knowledge not believe. Knowledge can be changed with new evidence. Belief is static and will ignore evidence to protect itself. You actually have the stones to claim to know what God thinks. Unbelievable. You have a lot of quick responses but they feel rehearsed.

Huh? I have the stones? I'm entitled to believe God is real, and the Bible, His so-taught inspired Word teaches what is to come and what His people are to do.

Quote

BTW, since you brought it up what's your beef with Catholics and Mormons?

Catholicism is a sinful religion whose follower's masquerade as true follower's of Jesus. Catholicism was supposedly based on the fundamental teachings and principles of Jesus Christ. It's roots begin instead, from Paganism and Babylonian doctrine. I believe Pope Benedict the 16th is also guilty of the unforgivable sin, which is blasphemy and I can prove this.

Quote

Don't they have the right to be just as sure as you that they have it figured out?

What makes you think they've got it figured out?

Mormon's, if I recall, teach something slightly different to what the Word teaches although they claim to follow Jesus unless I'm mistaken. I don't know very much on them at all and have no real "beef" with them.

Quote

No my friend I'm pretty sure it's you that doesn't understand scripture. I think your head has been filled up so much that nothing new can get in. Sad.

I believe I understand scripture just fine. It's God's Word not ours. Haughtiness has found it's way into your heart it would seem, and you still haven't proven you weren't mocking the Bible from the start. But you're right in that this isn't the place.

Edit: Toodles.

Edited by Insaniac, 02 September 2014 - 11:49 PM.

"He is wise in heart and mighty in strength. Who has hardened their heart against Him, and succeeded"? ~ Job 9:4

#39    Rlyeh

Rlyeh

    Omnipotent Entity

  • Member
  • 9,116 posts
  • Joined:01 Jan 2011
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The sixth circle

  • Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. - Terry Pratchett

Posted 03 September 2014 - 09:28 AM

View PostInsaniac, on 02 September 2014 - 09:02 PM, said:

You're blind to scripture. Of course you don't understand it.
While you're blind to everything else. The genesis creation account is a myth, it's wrong.

Edited by Rlyeh, 03 September 2014 - 09:29 AM.


#40    Calibeliever

Calibeliever

    Astral Projection

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 651 posts
  • Joined:23 Oct 2008
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Up here

  • The greatest of faults, I should say, is to be conscious of none. - Thomas Carlyle

Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:09 PM

View PostInsaniac, on 02 September 2014 - 11:48 PM, said:


Edit: Toodles.

Cheers.


#41    Princess Serenity

Princess Serenity

    1989

  • Member
  • 8,346 posts
  • Joined:26 Jul 2006
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:The Moon Kingdom

  • "There's nothing to fear but fear itself." Franklin D Roosevelt.

Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:18 PM

Why does almost every "old" person have either no or lost their birth certificate?


#42    Insaniac

Insaniac

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,060 posts
  • Joined:11 Dec 2008
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:United Kingdom

Posted 03 September 2014 - 08:47 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 03 September 2014 - 09:28 AM, said:

While you're blind to everything else. The genesis creation account is a myth, it's wrong.

lmao

Why don't you start a thread proving it's a myth?

"He is wise in heart and mighty in strength. Who has hardened their heart against Him, and succeeded"? ~ Job 9:4

#43    Rlyeh

Rlyeh

    Omnipotent Entity

  • Member
  • 9,116 posts
  • Joined:01 Jan 2011
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The sixth circle

  • Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. - Terry Pratchett

Posted 04 September 2014 - 02:50 AM

View PostInsaniac, on 03 September 2014 - 08:47 PM, said:

lmao

Why don't you start a thread proving it's a myth?
Shall I also make a thread to prove the earth orbits the sun? I wouldn't want to destroy your delusion.


#44    Hobbit Feet

Hobbit Feet

    Ectoplasmic Residue

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 126 posts
  • Joined:21 Dec 2012
  • Gender:Female

  • Drop me off at Willoughby and take me to Aunt T's!

Posted 04 September 2014 - 05:02 PM

I come from a line of people that live into their high 90's and none of them ever smoked or drank alcohol.


#45    Insaniac

Insaniac

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,060 posts
  • Joined:11 Dec 2008
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:United Kingdom

Posted 04 September 2014 - 05:42 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 04 September 2014 - 02:50 AM, said:

Shall I also make a thread to prove the earth orbits the sun? I wouldn't want to destroy your delusion.

Where is the guarantee that the Earth orbits the Sun?

"He is wise in heart and mighty in strength. Who has hardened their heart against Him, and succeeded"? ~ Job 9:4




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users