Trump: "They have to go!"

[Dark_Grey]

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/08/15/trump-illegal-immigrants-have-to-go/

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump argued that illegal immigrants “have to go” in a preview of his interview set to air on NBC News’ “Meet the Press” released on Saturday.

Trump said that if he is president, “The executive order gets rescinded.”

Trump added, “We’re going to keep the families together. We have to keep the families together, but they have to go.” And “They have to go.” Trump also said that if illegal immigrants don’t have a place to go, “We will work with them. They have to go. Chuck, we either have a country, or we don’t have a country.”

According to NBC News, Trump also stated, “‘we have to’ rescind Obama’s executive order offering those brought to the U.S. illegally as children — known as DREAMers — protection from deportation, as well as Obama’s unilateral move to delay deportation for their families as well.”

He wants to completely reverse Obama's "instant-American" immigration policy. Thoughts?

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

How will he do it?

Stick them on a plane? What's stopping them turning around and coming over again? What on Earth would drive Mexico to say "yes, we'll take your deportees back"?

Empty Rhetoric from the King of Empty Rehtoric.

[XenoFish]

Jade Helm. Now let the conspiracy theorist have at that.

[Michelle]

How will he do it?

Stick them on a plane? What's stopping them turning around and coming over again? What on Earth would drive Mexico to say "yes, we'll take your deportees back"?

Empty Rhetoric from the King of Empty Rehtoric.

He does has his own private 747. They aren't our deportees, they are citizens of Middle and South American countries. He would be returning them to their home. He could give the ones that want to help build the wall amnesty when it is finished.

[Leo Krupe]

It's getting more idiotic by the day. I thought the Republicans were the part of less government....how will they go? More ICE agents, of course, which means bigger government. I've read his "plan" could cost as much as $200 billion. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-tries-to-drown-other-gop-hopefuls-in-new-hampshire/

Trump then said,

Trump told CBS News, "They don't know what they're talking about. They don't negotiate like Trump."

Guess what, President F-Face von Clownstick? The president doesn't negotiate. Unless he's actually going to go whole hog and declare himself to be the state.

The people rejected Romney's idea of "self-deportation". Do you really think forced deportation will go over as anything but rhetoric? Will he send troops into people's houses to get "the illegals"?

No one is thinking this through with the gasbag. Jerry Springer said this morning that Trump's a legitimate candidate. Well, Jerry Springer's certainly got the political knowledge.

I said people aren't thinking this through, and they're not. Troops to force "them" out? How will it be paid for? What about the rest of his plan? The economy,. for instance. Wait'll the questions start coming up about that.

It seems those who really want Trump (as opposed to those laughing at him, not with him) want a true bully as president. That's not smart, and reality's going to come knocking sooner or later.

[Dark_Grey]

He's not just creating jobs, he's creating a new industry: deportation

Right or wrong, people are talking about Trump. Even though his plan is something from a comic book, his name is really getting out there

[bubblykiss]

How has Trump not sunk himself by, you know, being himself by now?

This seems like some kind of sickly surreal dream in which, well, Trump is running for president.

[Yamato]

The visualization of the federal govt searching for, rounding up, processing and throwing out tens of millions of people has crossed into the twilight zone. Ann Coulter "didn't care if President Trump performed abortions at the White House" after hearing his immigration plan.

Trump's base is starting to form up into something that smells like the Militarists. But we can't let any undue influence of the military industrial complex sabotage our election, right?

BTW, off-topic but serious question, who's the peace candidate in this election?

[Jack Skellington]

He'll put them back on the trains they arrived on. There's an idea.

How did you get here sir or ma'am? There's your way back home. Buh bye.

Why is "how" our problem? They aren't American. We can drop them off at the border.

If that seems harsh, we can put an ad in the paper offering jobs to farm workers in Fresno. They will come in droves to deport their cousins for $10/hr doing the deportation jobs Americans won't do.

[Imaginarynumber1]

[Ashotep]

I doubt he can deport them all but we should never give them citizenship. There should be no reward for jumping line. I think a wall across the border is a good idea. Should also start fining businesses for hiring them. If they want to work here get a visa like everyone else has to.

200 billion is peanuts compared to what it costs us to take care of them every year. Many are on welfare, foodstamps, get better medical care than low income Americans, sending them to school. They aren't completely stupid they know if they can have a kid here they can get on welfare, we are being used. Taxpayers will also have to privide lawers for the illegals if Obamas excutive action on immigration goes into effect, billions more.

I'm all for ending birthright citizenship. I think at least one parent should be a citizen or otherwise get in line with everyone else that wants to be a citizen the legal way. Then they would stop coming and birth tourism would end. Most countries do not have birthright citizenship.

[spartan max2]

Im all for deportation and securing the border. Nations have borders for a reason despite the fantasy world others choose to live in.

But I think the real problem is that are immigration process is too long a restrictive, we should make it easier to become a citizen as well as secure the border

[Ashotep]

I agree it should be easier and less costly but they need to pay for it, which they do if they are doing it legal. Right now we allow in 1 million legal immigrants a year. Until our economy get better we should lower it, mainly because we have so many illegals. Too many immigrants at once and it changes a country, they don't assimilate.

When I said 200 billion is peanuts I meant for building a wall. We spend almost 400 billion a year on illegal immigration. I would rather give someone a job building a wall and guarding the border.

I don't hate or have ill will towards any of these people but they can't just keep invading us with no repercussions.

[Michelle]

It's funny how different documents and ideas from 200 some odd years ago are considered sacred unless it's something the individual disagrees with...then they are archaic. At that time, when people immigrated to the US, there were no government benefits to fall back on. You either worked or starved.

Them wuz the good ol' days.

[Yamato]

He'll put them back on the trains they arrived on. There's an idea.

How did you get here sir or ma'am? There's your way back home. Buh bye.

Why is "how" our problem? They aren't American. We can drop them off at the border.

If that seems harsh, we can put an ad in the paper offering jobs to farm workers in Fresno. They will come in droves to deport their cousins for $10/hr doing the deportation jobs Americans won't do.

Drop them off at the border they'll just come right back across. Hundreds of thousands are deported every year. Many are return offenders and they spend time in our jails and are deported again. So how we do it matters or we can wind up spending a lot of money and not accomplishing much (see Status Quo). So how we do it means everything, we have to do it differently than we're doing it now or it isn't going to change.

I know you're being facetious but why would we want a farm that's treated like a special case by govt? Hasn't govt done enough damage to farming in this country already? $400/week in Fresno....can they work 40 hours of overtime for another $600/week? ~$50k/yr might be a livable wage for a family of four in Fresno.

[Yamato]

Im all for deportation and securing the border. Nations have borders for a reason despite the fantasy world others choose to live in.

But I think the real problem is that are immigration process is too long a restrictive, we should make it easier to become a citizen as well as secure the border

If deportation is the solution, we're already on it like white on rice.

Alright? If we're going to bluster about aggressive new efforts to ramp the deportations up a lot higher than they are now, we have to know how. Otherwise, that's the fantasy. This fantasy could fundamentally damage our rights, even put the nail in the coffin of the 4th. Only through aggressive police action could we accomplish what this orange rage-master is calling for.

One of the cliched arguments surrounding this issue concerns English as the official language ("learn the language!") which makes immigration slower and more restrictive. Speeding things up and accepting Spanglish? I don't know.

[Yamato]

He's not just creating jobs, he's creating a new industry: deportation

And then you say "Right or wrong?" So we'll all just go along with it then, right or wrong?!

He's not creating anything, he's running his mouth and apparently convincing some people he's the creator of whatever he says he's the creator of.

[Michelle]

At this point, I would just like to have all instruction manuals and warranties divided by language. It would be so much simpler, for everyone, if you didn't have to wade through mountains of script that has no meaning to you. It wouldn't take any more or less paper and you could recycle or disregard anything you don't need.

Vote for me for president and I will stop this nonsense!!!

Yeah, it's a personal problem this weekend. Back to the regularly scheduled program.

[Ashotep]

When we put up the wall we need to put sensors in it, chip the illegals in a place it can't be removed so when they try to cross again they are shocked severely until they go back across. Tell human rights groups to stick it when they complain.

Just kidding but start fining anyone that hires them to the big time. Stop birthright citizenship and giving them welfare they will stop coming.

[Ashotep]

And then you say "Right or wrong?" So we'll all just go along with it then, right or wrong?!

He's not creating anything, he's running his mouth and apparently convincing some people he's the creator of whatever he says he's the creator of.

That is what they all do to get elected so how is Trump any different.

[questionmark]

That is what they all do to get elected so how is Trump any different.

Maybe because he is claiming to be different?

Or in plain English: lying in your face while you are cheering and applauding. That tells me: same poop, different color... and yes there is a difference: he has 0 knowledge of how to run a government. Just look at Greece's last one to see how well that fares.

[spartan max2]

If deportation is the solution, we're already on it like white on rice.

Alright? If we're going to bluster about aggressive new efforts to ramp the deportations up a lot higher than they are now, we have to know how. Otherwise, that's the fantasy. This fantasy could fundamentally damage our rights, even put the nail in the coffin of the 4th. Only through aggressive police action could we accomplish what this orange rage-master is calling for.

One of the cliched arguments surrounding this issue concerns English as the official language ("learn the language!") which makes immigration slower and more restrictive. Speeding things up and accepting Spanglish? I don't know.

Deportation without having a secure border and fixing the immigration process is pointless.

It's like throwing buckets of water off your ship when there are holes in it. You have to fix the holes as well or the buckets do nonething.

[Leonardo]

It's funny how different documents and ideas from 200 some odd years ago are considered sacred unless it's something the individual disagrees with...then they are archaic. At that time, when people immigrated to the US, there were no government benefits to fall back on. You either worked or starved.

Them wuz the good ol' days.

Don't fall for the myth that social welfare in the US began recently. There were various govt initiatives for the poor in the USA from quite early on in it's history - including those outlined here.

Social welfare for the poor in the USA initially followed the precedent of the British "Poor Law Relief" and included financially subsidising the poor from ratepayers taxes.

In them "good old days" govt benefits certainly did exist, they just weren't as commonly taken up by the poor - perhaps because of a lack of information regarding their availability.

Edited August 23, 2015 by Leonardo

[Yamato]

That is what they all do to get elected so how is Trump any different.

Insults, made daily.

Deportation without having a secure border and fixing the immigration process is pointless.

It's like throwing buckets of water off your ship when there are holes in it. You have to fix the holes as well or the buckets do nonething.

Perhaps if we weren't spending so much effort trying to secure someone else's border 8,000 miles away (which we can't even do either by the way) we'd have more resources to secure our own. But we must not have that much of a problem over here to change the allocation of resources from foreign to domestic. Instead we get Donald Trump and we need a more ginormous military than we have already. It's quite a twisted worldview when one thinks that our liberty is going to be protected by massive military force and more govt intrusion into our lives.

Even if Donald Trump wasn't completely full of **** and his impenetrable Mexican wall is built, they'll just take boats to California and come in from the coast. He better dig down into ground and build the wall 100 feet deep too or they'll come in under it. Actually they'll dig a longer tunnel 110 feet deep and still go under it. We'll find out who the real Bandidos are because we'll put them in business.

All you've mentioned combined, and it's still not on point in cause and effect. The problem isn't caused by lack of deportation, lack of a secure border, or the slow rate of the legal immigration process. The problem is caused by the incentive to come here, in two words or less, easy citizenship. Amend the Constitution to end birthright citizenship, patrol the border with drones, aircraft, and quick response teams in helicopters, save the money on 9th century technology Mexicans have no incentive to pay for.

[Leonardo]

All you've mentioned combined, and it's still not on point in cause and effect. The problem isn't caused by lack of deportation, lack of a secure border, or the slow rate of the legal immigration process. The problem is caused by the incentive to come here, in two words or less, easy citizenship. Amend the Constitution to end birthright citizenship, patrol the border with drones, aircraft, and quick response teams in helicopters, save the money on 9th century technology Mexicans have no incentive to pay for.

With all due respect, no it's not.

That there is incentive from the US to immigrate from Mexico is not a problem at all, the problems are the inability of the Mexican govt to offer security to its citizens and the burgeoning population - particularly the latter.