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[Lilly]

spartan max2, on 08 December 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

Goverments normally lie
people normally do not

Hate to break this to you but people lie too (and a great deal).

[Legaia]

Lilly, on 08 December 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

Hate to break this to you but people lie too (and a great deal).

You're absolutely right, but as others suggested, if it were a murder trial with as many witnesses as have been in these cases, I think we could all speculate on what the verdict would be.

[bmk1245]

Hmmm...
[sarcasm on]
Hypothetically: if one eyewitness say "Chinese", second claim "Afroamerican", the perpetrator of Caucasian descent wouldn't stand a chance to walk away free...
[/sarcasm off]

Add to that, with so much influence on the eyewitnesses over many years, I doubt any court would pronounce "Guilty" verdict.

[Chrlzs]

Legaia, on 09 December 2012 - 12:01 AM, said:

You're absolutely right, but as others suggested, if it were a murder trial with as many witnesses as have been in these cases, I think we could all speculate on what the verdict would be.

In a murder trial you ..er.. generally have a deceased person who has clearly not died from natural causes, a provable motive or three, and the fact that it is a known and accepted fact that people do murder other people...  It also generally involves proper and rigorous cross-examination. Witness testimony by itself is usually NOT sufficient to convict and this is especially so in cases where the witness may be motivated in some way to not tell the whole truth, or is relating old and possibly tainted or even imagined memories..

Now, compare that with stories about ufo's containing aliens...  spot the differences?

[Hawkin]

Walnut Whip, on 08 December 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

My gut instinct was right about an alien spacecraft crashing at Roswell.
I'm glad some of these deathbed confessions are coming to light.
When all is said and done it's going to lead to full disclosure.
I don't care if it challenges certain religious faiths because I'll be relieved.
There being only one alien body comes as a bit of a surprise.
From what I gather there was three occupants and two of them died at the scene.
It dosn't really matter because it's only a minor quibble.
This guy was one of the major figureheads of this incident and his word should be taken as gospel.

Not only does it challenge Religion but it challenges Traditional Science. They want that smoking gun instead of being
open to the possibilities that this phenomena could be real no matter how credible the witness is.

[synchronomy]

Chrlzs, on 09 December 2012 - 01:09 AM, said:

In a murder trial you ..er.. generally have a deceased person who has clearly not died from natural causes, a provable motive or three, and the fact that it is a known and accepted fact that people do murder other people...  It also generally involves proper and rigorous cross-examination. Witness testimony by itself is usually NOT sufficient to convict and this is especially so in cases where the witness may be motivated in some way to not tell the whole truth, or is relating old and possibly tainted or even imagined memories..

Now, compare that with stories about ufo's containing aliens...  spot the differences?

There's another important factor.  Lying about UFO cases has zero consequences.  None.  If people believe you, you get some notariety.  If they don't, nothing happens and gullible folks still buy your books and go to UFO conferences to hear you speak.  Money...lots of it.

If you lie while under oath in court, you usually get some serious jailtime.

So "witness" testimony frequently means NOTHING in ufology.

[coolguy]

This guy is telling the truth, and  others about the ufo crashing at roswell.
And if some of think iam crazy for believeing thiz iam fine with it..

[DingoLingo]

Legaia, on 09 December 2012 - 12:01 AM, said:

You're absolutely right, but as others suggested, if it were a murder trial with as many witnesses as have been in these cases, I think we could all speculate on what the verdict would be.

*cough*Oj trial *cough*

[Sakari]

TheMacGuffin, on 08 December 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

They want you to think that all these hundreds of Roswell witnesses are lying.  Don't believe them.  These UFOs crashes are real and they have happened more than once.

Their insurance premiums must be huge....

[Antilles]

Something crashed at Roswell and it wasn't a balloon.

IMO you have options:

1. alien craft

2. top secret USAF craft

[badeskov]

Antilles, on 09 December 2012 - 06:12 AM, said:

Something crashed at Roswell and it wasn't a balloon.

IMO you have options:

1. alien craft

2. top secret USAF craft

And why wasn't it a balloon?

Cheers,
Badeskov

[Antilles]

badeskov, on 09 December 2012 - 06:22 AM, said:

And why wasn't it a balloon?

Cheers,
Badeskov

What makes you think it was?

Are you related to Boris Badenov, by any chance?

[BonecrusherPotlessjinxpotl]

Lilly, on 08 December 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

Hate to break this to you but people lie too (and a great deal).

Well there's those little white lies that get us out of a pickle...
What would happen if the guy's short-term memory was out of whack.
While his long-term memory was so crystal clear it's like he's taken back to the day itself.
Senile dementia is very common amongst the elderly but you can't it use it as an excuse not for him  to talk porkies.
I'm actually seen examples of this and it's more common than you think.

Edited by Walnut Whip, 09 December 2012 - 07:39 AM.

[Lava_Lady]

spartan max2, on 08 December 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

Goverments normally lie
people normally do not

But people run the government....its a bit of a Conundrum.

Governments lie and people don't but Governments are run by people so  Governments don't lie or is it people lie?

I have a headache...

Edited by Lava_Lady, 09 December 2012 - 08:55 AM.

[skookum]

As much as I would love to believe Roswell I just cannot logically.  

These are my reasons. I am not 100% certain a Government would cover up such an important event, maybe at first as not to start a panic but I am sure it would filter through, what would be the point.  I doubt ownership rights of it would not be an issue as long as it was recovered on a countries own soil.  I could only see a problem if it had been recovered from international territory.

Secondly you have to ask yourself if this was true what technical advancements have been made, they would of had it over 50 years.  Well we know nuclear was around before before Roswell so that is ruled out, I doubt it traveled light years on fossil fuel.  Metal technologies have not changed a great deal either. Aluminium and steel was around before world war 2, this craft was supposedly made of some advanced metal.  But today we still use the very same metals all be it probably better quality.  

Many people link stealth technologies to Roswell.  The Horton brothers actually invented a triangular flying wing aircraft in Germany during World War 2 that displayed stealth tendencies.  That aircraft was inspected as it was taken to America when they were designing the stealth fighter, so again hardly other world technology.

Fibre optics have also been linked to Roswell, however the principle was demonstrated in London in the mid 1800's.

Even the space race was conducted using technologies learned from Nazi Germany's V2 rocket.  Today we still rely on chemical rockets for space travel.

Are we saying the American Government has learned nothing from what would be a highly advanced spacecraft they recovered over 50 years ago?