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#16    Jessica Christ

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 02:06 PM

Only people who believe in demons can have a demon visitation. It is part of our mind most likely. Maybe it is something out there. It could be something inbetween. It definitely is something that is part of your culture.

You should operate as if it can be all these at once depending on your belief system but emphasize the fact that it likely is, either the sole reason or one of the reasons, that it is a part of your own mind wanting to reveal something.

Edited by Chasingtherabbit, 18 September 2012 - 02:08 PM.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 03:24 AM

View PostChasingtherabbit, on 18 September 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

Only people who believe in demons can have a demon visitation. It is part of our mind most likely. Maybe it is something out there. It could be something inbetween. It definitely is something that is part of your culture.

You should operate as if it can be all these at once depending on your belief system but emphasize the fact that it likely is, either the sole reason or one of the reasons, that it is a part of your own mind wanting to reveal something.

Most people who experience demonic hauntings,never believed in demons or ghosts ,before it happened to them .

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 03:45 AM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 19 September 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:

Most people who experience demonic hauntings,never believed in demons or ghosts ,before it happened to them .

Simbi I am truly and honestly not trying to be a pain in the ass when i say this, as I've developed a grudging respect for most of what you post, but you can't say this and not back it up somehow with some kind of evidence.  Maybe most of the people you know or have read of, but not just "most people" period.  Its misleading.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 05:01 AM

View Postorangepeaceful79, on 19 September 2012 - 03:45 AM, said:



Simbi I am truly and honestly not trying to be a pain in the ass when i say this, as I've developed a grudging respect for most of what you post, but you can't say this and not back it up somehow with some kind of evidence.  Maybe most of the people you know or have read of, but not just "most people" period.  Its misleading.

Most all documented cases,including the Amityville horror and the haunting in Connecticut ,were families of non believers .
And,I watch the series The Haunting *sheepish grin* .
I do believe many of those stories are genuine ,as these people can be found.

There are many legitimate documented cases . I cannot say I know all of them by heart ,and non believers will just say ,IT'S NOT REAL,IT'S COR RATINGS,....BUT !, even if say,35% of them are true ,that's a lot of people ,who didn't believe in anything ,and had lots of stuff,not explainable by normal means ,say "oh ****,my house has a demon ".

And I have to tell you ,weird stuff has started up in my house again . It's been quiet since 2008 .
I think I disturbed something . I've heard voices ,two nights in a row.
Like the room next to where I am .Not able to hear what they say exactly ....by the time I get there,its stopped naturally .
If it escalates ,I will try to catch some of it somehow,but all I have is my cell phone video .

Eh,such is life Orange.
People forever being on opposite sides of a coin .

Edited by Simbi Laveau, 19 September 2012 - 05:05 AM.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 05:32 AM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 19 September 2012 - 05:01 AM, said:

Most all documented cases,including the Amityville horror and the haunting in Connecticut ,were families of non believers .
And,I watch the series The Haunting *sheepish grin* .
I do believe many of those stories are genuine ,as these people can be found.

There are many legitimate documented cases . I cannot say I know all of them by heart ,and non believers will just say ,IT'S NOT REAL,IT'S COR RATINGS,....BUT !, even if say,35% of them are true ,that's a lot of people ,who didn't believe in anything ,and had lots of stuff,not explainable by normal means ,say "oh ****,my house has a demon ".

And I have to tell you ,weird stuff has started up in my house again . It's been quiet since 2008 .
I think I disturbed something . I've heard voices ,two nights in a row.
Like the room next to where I am .Not able to hear what they say exactly ....by the time I get there,its stopped naturally .
If it escalates ,I will try to catch some of it somehow,but all I have is my cell phone video .

Eh,such is life Orange.
People forever being on opposite sides of a coin .

We are not so opposite as you think, Simbi.  I'd love to believe and truly do hang around here in hopes of finding something that makes sense and will help me believe, but again - I say this with all due respect - when I read things that are over generalizations like the quote I mentioned previously it does nothing to bring me closer to believing.  It just makes it sound like you are making things up - which I doubt is really the case as you strike me of a person of passion and integrity.    If you would just back up your claims or phrase them in a way that is not so broad, you would increase your effectiveness at persuasion a great deal I think......but I digress.  By the way - I don't doubt the sincerity of your story of activity at your house, though I'm sure we could have a healthy debate on its origins :)

At any rate - *tip o' the hat to ye*  Do as you do and I will do the same.  Have a good night.  :)


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:56 AM

View Postorangepeaceful79, on 19 September 2012 - 05:32 AM, said:



We are not so opposite as you think, Simbi.  I'd love to believe and truly do hang around here in hopes of finding something that makes sense and will help me believe, but again - I say this with all due respect - when I read things that are over generalizations like the quote I mentioned previously it does nothing to bring me closer to believing.  It just makes it sound like you are making things up - which I doubt is really the case as you strike me of a person of passion and integrity.    If you would just back up your claims or phrase them in a way that is not so broad, you would increase your effectiveness at persuasion a great deal I think......but I digress.  By the way - I don't doubt the sincerity of your story of activity at your house, though I'm sure we could have a healthy debate on its origins :)

At any rate - *tip o' the hat to ye*  Do as you do and I will do the same.  Have a good night.  :)

As a child,I didn't have imaginary friends,and I didn't make up stories ,but at the age of..I think 10,I announced I was a witch .
Every Halloween ,every one,I was....yup,a witch .
My mom sewed .She made me more capes ,than you can possibly imagine .
Wwwhheeerrreee this came from,I have no idea.

In my infinite witchy wisdom ,I told all my friends I could make them witches .
Some believed.
How would I do this ...I took a Dried bay leaf,I dipped it in scope mouthwash,and then coated it with paprika .
Yes,true story .
Of my friends,two partook of the magickal bayleaf .
I still remember them spitting it all out ,wiping their tongue off with napkins,and drinking tons of water.
Wow...when I think of it,I cant believe I did that ,but,that was the beginning for me.

By the time I was 15, I was taking the train into manhattan,to to to the "witch store".
It was called Enchantments btw .
Lady Rhea owned it .
Even Madonna used to go there.

http://www.magickalr...om/AboutUs.html
Rhea sold it years ago,but its still around .Lady Rhea owns a place in the Bronx now .
Enchantments is owned by a woman who dabbles in Santeria I think,and owns like 10 all black cats.
They live in the back room of the store I think .


So,i was doing stuff ,at 14-15,that even experienced witches shouldnt do .
My mom thought it was kid stuff I guess. By the time she figured out what I was up to,it was too late . I was 18.

I honestly believe that when you dabble,especially inexperienced,you attract stuff to yourself,and its usually nothing good.

Odd stuff started in here,looonngg ago.
I had to learn.....what to do ...?
It was scary .

So ,I'm fairly desensitized at this point .
People who are sensitive,also attract this stuff .

We are like a toy to them I think ,as we are aware ?

My house has been quiet for years. It stopped about a year after my mom died,which was 2006.


As for this ,well ....
I have some items ,with.....interesting histories .
I moved one recently .Put it on display ,and then changed my mind,and put it back in the hutch .
It started after that . Like I offended .
Who knows . The talking used to come from the room it used to be in ,now it comes from the room its in,which is the opposite end of the house .
And no,I never hear voices in the house.....only after I got this item .

Nothing tonight .

I mean it doesnt bother me when they are active ,except when I almost kill myself by accident .

I go flying on a drop of water on my kitchen floor .A drop.... Hurt my back ,neck,and I fall in bizarre impossible ways,for no apparent reason.

Almost trip down the stairs .Fall into the shower glass doors.
The tomatoe sauce incident still haunts me .
My feet slipped on some grease from making pasta sauce ,that hit the floor,except my feet went out from under me ,backwards .
It was bizarre.
I had the pot of sauce in both hands,and my feet both slid backwards,as the front of me went forward .
It was like I belly flopped on my floor ,hot sauce splashing all over.

I mean it could be nothing ,but I have a lot of really really ,odd mishaps . I should have died,badly,quite a few times .
And not just in the house here....in the car,at a concert,on the street .
Weird stuff .

If I have nasties gunning for me ,I'm quite sure I have guardian angels too .

Edited by Simbi Laveau, 19 September 2012 - 10:05 AM.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:52 PM

That is just an interesting story and you seem like a beautiful person Simbi. I wonder how you made it this far without letting others take the wonder from you. That was not a question, just an observation.

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 19 September 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:

Most people who experience demonic hauntings,never believed in demons or ghosts ,before it happened to them .

I have had my own issues with demons, nothing severe, nothing to freak out about, nothing that interesting. I really, really want to believe it was me and that it can be fixed instead of believing there are demons out there as I have for so many years before. I have not had any recognizable demonic activity in a few years now so am not looking for advice either, just hope, hope for all of us, for those of us who need it.

I agree with your post above, people who are sensitive attract this stuff,

Now it doesn't matter to me if I am wrong, this is just what I believe, and am not trying to convince anyone but I do believe one must have a belief in demons, if not a personal belief, then coming from a culture or a part of a culture that does believe, be it grandparents, the old ways, some church you went to years ago, it doesn't matter if you never believed personally because you existed in a culture in which demons were part of the narrative.

Do you believe that someone can have issues with demons if they never believed in them (rhetorical since you already answered) or never had any exposure to the ideas of them through culture? Now I am not saying demons are not real but am saying social conditioning is very real and a part of the equation that should be looked into regardless. If someone has issues that to me seem demonic but they do not believe in demons I would find out what they believe in, if they believe in psychology, then I would recommend they start there, if they are Hindu I would send them to a temple not a church, and so forth...

Edited by Chasingtherabbit, 19 September 2012 - 01:05 PM.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:55 PM

View Postorangepeaceful79, on 19 September 2012 - 05:32 AM, said:

We are not so opposite as you think, Simbi.  I'd love to believe and truly do hang around here in hopes of finding something that makes sense and will help me believe, but again - I say this with all due respect - when I read things that are over generalizations like the quote I mentioned previously it does nothing to bring me closer to believing.  It just makes it sound like you are making things up - which I doubt is really the case as you strike me of a person of passion and integrity. If you would just back up your claims or phrase them in a way that is not so broad, you would increase your effectiveness at persuasion a great deal I think......but I digress.  By the way - I don't doubt the sincerity of your story of activity at your house, though I'm sure we could have a healthy debate on its origins :)

At any rate - *tip o' the hat to ye*  Do as you do and I will do the same.  Have a good night.  :)

If this is a skeptic's view it is one of the kindest, most attractive views I've read from a skeptic here.

As a believer I would like to add that some believers are not very interested in ruling out what they believe in order to find an exact cause. While it can be hinted at that there are other things that might be causing it, it should never be forced on someone who is not open or ready for that. Very nice to see you do exactly that.

Edited by Chasingtherabbit, 19 September 2012 - 01:02 PM.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 01:28 PM

I dunno if this is related, but you must have been making contact with your spirit guide and failed to recite the chant of protection, so the demon showed instead of the spirit guide


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Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:51 AM

View PostChasingtherabbit, on 19 September 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

That is just an interesting story and you seem like a beautiful person Simbi. I wonder how you made it this far without letting others take the wonder from you. That was not a question, just an observation.



I have had my own issues with demons, nothing severe, nothing to freak out about, nothing that interesting. I really, really want to believe it was me and that it can be fixed instead of believing there are demons out there as I have for so many years before. I have not had any recognizable demonic activity in a few years now so am not looking for advice either, just hope, hope for all of us, for those of us who need it.

I agree with your post above, people who are sensitive attract this stuff,

Now it doesn't matter to me if I am wrong, this is just what I believe, and am not trying to convince anyone but I do believe one must have a belief in demons, if not a personal belief, then coming from a culture or a part of a culture that does believe, be it grandparents, the old ways, some church you went to years ago, it doesn't matter if you never believed personally because you existed in a culture in which demons were part of the narrative.

Do you believe that someone can have issues with demons if they never believed in them (rhetorical since you already answered) or never had any exposure to the ideas of them through culture? Now I am not saying demons are not real but am saying social conditioning is very real and a part of the equation that should be looked into regardless. If someone has issues that to me seem demonic but they do not believe in demons I would find out what they believe in, if they believe in psychology, then I would recommend they start there, if they are Hindu I would send them to a temple not a church, and so forth...

Oh yes. People can have issues,and be completely unaware.
Heavy duty evil stuff,is rare,but I sometimes honestly think,murderers ,are quite possessed.Not all,but...some,the eyes...
Theres more to it,than most people,understand .

Who can know,if "the voices",are not imagined ?
Many things are chalked off to mental illness,because it is the norm,accepted by mainstream,and much easier for the rational mind to accept.

Who knows ?
Many things come down to the fight between good and evil ,on a basic level ,and we are oblivious .

Edited by Simbi Laveau, 20 September 2012 - 10:54 AM.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 11:04 AM

View PostB4lls13, on 19 September 2012 - 01:28 PM, said:

I dunno if this is related, but you must have been making contact with your spirit guide and failed to recite the chant of protection, so the demon showed instead of the spirit guide

Our spirit guides are always with us . In Santeria,we think of them more as guardian angels .
In my studies with my padrino,I was taught that we have guardians,assigned to us,for life .
When you reach a certain level of enlightenment ,you are no longer required to reincarnated,and your work is done,from the other side.Guardian angels,are this kind of spirit.

In some cases,when a parent dies ,they can do this for their children ,and reincarnated when they feel the child is safe ,or grown .
So,we have our own guardians ,who generally come from the same origins as we do.
Souls have origins .
Very ancient .
For instance,my soul allegedly comes from the Congo ,which would explain my attraction to their religions,however,one of my guardians ,looks like a Viking .
I know it sounds bizarre,but this is what I was told.
My padrino is a true shaman,and he said he never saw anything like it,in his life,and he's been a shaman for about 40 years.
I cannot see him though,and I don't have a lot of Nordic inclinations,but its somewhere in my past ,or ,it looks like a viking,but that's not exactly what it is.
Padrino actually saved,my guardian looks that way,because I need that kind of protection .Heavy duty .

Anyhoooo,we have designated guardians,and ones that come and go,as needed .
They do not stay with us,but come at times of great need.

I was told to do prayers to them,and honorifics ,and I am not a good subject,I must admit.
I talk to my viking though.







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Posted 21 September 2012 - 12:24 AM

You know Simbi, there are things about you I admire.  Like your ability to believe like you do.  I struggle with belief in general immensely.  Its almost impossible for me to believe in something without it being proven somehow.  You and people like you I do have some grudging admiration for, simply because you can do easily that which I can not.

It truly takes all kinds to make the world we know.  Cheers!


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Posted 30 September 2012 - 05:48 PM

First of all I want to congratulate you on being clean and sober and starting a new life for yourself.

Now, on to your question; and I for one am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe your story.  Why?  Simply put, I was not there to experience what you have claimed.  In addition to that, the only person to know how your body reacts to drugs is you, so when you say you know a real encounter from a hallucination, I'm inclined to believe.

In my own opinion, it sounds to me like you may have encountered a demonic enitity.  I would say most likely not Satan himself, but one of his minions that does the dirty work here on the earthly plain.  The thing with demons is that they thrive on anything and everything that is in direct opposition from the goodness and kindness, and pure love of God.  This is assuming you do believe in a God.  If not, then simply put, there are bad and evilo entities just as there are good ones.

Being that you were locked up in solitary at this given time, I believe that spiritually you had hit your rock bottom.  It was and is at these times that Satan will try his best to attack you.  The fact that this entity spoke with you and regarded that it liked the fact that you were on this path of destruction, merely points to what these evil forces want.  They wanted you to continue falling.

Again, this is just my opinion and my view on what you experienced.  The most important thing is that you didn't fall for the lies and you have remained strong within yourself.  I commend you on being true to no one but yourself.


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Posted 30 September 2012 - 11:18 PM

View PostJeffertonturner, on 06 September 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

A fictional one.

You see I was going to say 'an imaginary one' but I thought I'd not be mean for a change!


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Posted 30 September 2012 - 11:22 PM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 19 September 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:

Most people who experience demonic hauntings,never believed in demons or ghosts ,before it happened to them .

I'd love to see/meet a demon, so that's a bit of good news!
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