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[Lava_Lady]

-Mr_Fess-, on 04 December 2012 - 12:51 AM, said:

Looks pretty broken . If you got pummeled in the nose like that I guarantee some of you might think you could die.

And I guarantee you that Zimmerman wouldn't have gotten punched in the nose if he didn't try to be a bad-ass and accost a stranger.  Because that's what he did, he accosted someone without good reason.

If he had just waited for the police to come, none of this would be happening. The kid would still be alive, Zimmerman would not be a murderer and no one would be arguing.   Simple as that.

If that is hard to understand look at it from the kids point of view, you're walking, talking on the phone...  someone comes up to you aggressively asking you what you are doing here, who you are... he has his hand on something that looks like a weapon...  you have no idea who it is but you're scared and want to get the hell away from this man that is in your face!

What would you do?

[DieChecker]

Lava_Lady, on 04 December 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:

And I guarantee you that Zimmerman wouldn't have gotten punched in the nose if he didn't try to be a bad-ass and accost a stranger.  Because that's what he did, he accosted someone without good reason.

If he had just waited for the police to come, none of this would be happening. The kid would still be alive, Zimmerman would not be a murderer and no one would be arguing.   Simple as that.

If that is hard to understand look at it from the kids point of view, you're walking, talking on the phone...  someone comes up to you aggressively asking you what you are doing here, who you are... he has his hand on something that looks like a weapon...  you have no idea who it is but you're scared and want to get the hell away from this man that is in your face!

What would you do?

What I think I would Not Do is start a brawl with the guy with the gun. I'd instead try to keep away from him while I called the cops.

So how do you assume he was showing his weapon?

What if you assume he was Not showing his weapon?

Trayvon had plenty of opportunity to go back to the house he was staying at, but he instead ran off, then wandered around outside where he knew Zimmerman was looking for him. We could just as easily assume He was out looking for trouble too.

Edited by DieChecker, 04 December 2012 - 06:27 AM.

[Lava_Lady]

DieChecker, on 04 December 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:

What I think I would Not Do is start a brawl with the guy with the gun. I'd instead try to keep away from him while I called the cops.

So how do you assume he was showing his weapon?

What if you assume he was Not showing his weapon?

Trayvon had plenty of opportunity to go back to the house he was staying at, but he instead ran off, then wandered around outside where he knew Zimmerman was looking for him. We could just as easily assume He was out looking for trouble too.

Ok, lets assume no weapon.  Lets also assume that Trayvon WAS looking for trouble...heck, lets even assume Trayvon was high...AND wearing gang colors.

Now, should Zimmerman go up to him and take the law into his own hands?

He just called 911... Should he wait for the cops our just go accost a stranger?  

This stranger "looks" like a criminal.  But, the criminal is currently not committing a crime.  But Zimmerman did.

In accosting  Trayvon, he committed the crime of harassment.  If he touched Trayvon, it becomes assault.  If Trayvon had survived he could have pled self defense.

Why its a good idea to go up to a "dangerous" looking thug and start demanding to know why he's there?

He should have waited for the cops.

Edited by Lava_Lady, 04 December 2012 - 07:31 AM.

[Betrayal of Humanity]

Trayvon was trying to be the bad-ass not Zimmerman.

[aztek]

Lava_Lady, on 04 December 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

Why its a good idea to go up to a "dangerous" looking thug and start demanding to know why he's there?

because he is a neighborhood watch capt, you don't call cops for every suspicions case.

you were not there, so stop making your assumptions look as they are facts.

it took racists pigs like shapron and jj, to get him arrested months later . there is a reason he was not arrested at the spot.

Edited by aztek, 04 December 2012 - 12:16 PM.

[Myles]

Trayvon caused this.

[Jeffertonturner]

The evil is strong with this thread... Very sad so many of you are this twisted.

[Myles]

Jeffertonturner, on 04 December 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

The evil is strong with this thread... Very sad so many of you are this twisted.

What is the evil that you are speaking of?
I think most are just giving their opinion.

[Bavarian Raven]

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What is the evil that you are speaking of?

anyone who doesnt agree with their point of view

[aztek]

Lava_Lady, on 04 December 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:

And I guarantee you that Zimmerman wouldn't have gotten punched in the nose if he didn't try to be a bad-ass and accost a stranger.  Because that's what he did, he accosted someone without good reason.

oh please, you guarantee worth nothing, you were not there.

[and then]

Jeffertonturner, on 04 December 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

The evil is strong with this thread... Very sad so many of you are this twisted.

That's a bit over the top JT.  People just have strong opinions on this one.  It's the kind of thing that could happen to almost anyone and if you were defending yourself - even if you did start the fight by being stupid - you'd do whatever it took to save your own life.  I agree that Zimmerman should have just stayed in his vehicle.  But the way the law is written there he should be freed on the charges they brought.  They EASILY could have gotten manslaughter or some kind of negligent homicide but when the Feds got involved the prosecutor decided to grandstand and go for murder 2.  Unless there is a LOT more evidence that isn't being shown so far, there's no way he gets convicted for murder 2.  So he probably walks and if the media has fanned the flames for weeks before and during a trial then there could be violence just like after the Rodney King verdict.
This one could set back race relations in this country by 50 years or more.

[OverSword]

People are still posting on this thread?

[Jeffertonturner]

and then, on 04 December 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

That's a bit over the top JT.  People just have strong opinions on this one.  It's the kind of thing that could happen to almost anyone and if you were defending yourself - even if you did start the fight by being stupid - you'd do whatever it took to save your own life.  I agree that Zimmerman should have just stayed in his vehicle.  But the way the law is written there he should be freed on the charges they brought.  They EASILY could have gotten manslaughter or some kind of negligent homicide but when the Feds got involved the prosecutor decided to grandstand and go for murder 2.  Unless there is a LOT more evidence that isn't being shown so far, there's no way he gets convicted for murder 2.  So he probably walks and if the media has fanned the flames for weeks before and during a trial then there could be violence just like after the Rodney King verdict.
This one could set back race relations in this country by 50 years or more.

I just don't like how many people are blaming a teen for their own murder based only on racial bias. It's disgusting.

[Lava_Lady]

aztek, on 04 December 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

because he is a neighborhood watch capt, you don't call cops for every suspicions case.

you were not there, so stop making your assumptions look as they are facts.

it took racists pigs like shapron and jj, to get him arrested months later . there is a reason he was not arrested at the spot.

Zimmerman DID call the cops.  the neighborhood watch captain it's just that a
neighborhood watch captain,
not a cop.

how did I made my assumptions look like facts?  e were you fooled into believing something?

[Lava_Lady]

aztek, on 04 December 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

oh please, you guarantee worth nothing, you were not there.

Neither were you jack.