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#16    shrooma

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:12 PM

I hate to jump on the alarmist bandwaggon, but if the average global temperature rose by five degrees-
Ben & Jerry would rule the world.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:12 PM

We always have cold and not-so-cold winters and so on and on.  That is statistical noise.  The concern is average temperatures, and there is abundant evidence they are increasing, that the planet's surface, as a whole, is getting warmer.


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:14 PM

View PostCoffey, on 22 February 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

If the global temperature is rising, then why has it be one of the coldest winters of my life this year.

Because you live on just a wee tiny part of the planet?


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:31 PM

View PostCoffey, on 23 February 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

I thought it was a natural cycle though?

I read about the key scientists who are showing these results where funded by the big il companies. I found that strange as though there is some kind of ulterior motive.
No evidence that anything short of a few decades of short term variability can be attributed to natural causes.

Care to illuminate us as to the source of this ground shaking evidence that oil companies have funded the "AGW scare". It would seem to me that fossil fuel companies would be very interested in research which implicates their product in environmental harm - but thats a very different thing to them financing the "scare" as you suggest.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:47 PM

View PostCoffey, on 23 February 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

I thought it was a natural cycle though?

I read about the key scientists who are showing these results where funded by the big il companies. I found that strange as though there is some kind of ulterior motive.

Yup I read that news article,
Those scientists are declining climate change.
I wonder why hmmm.. lol !!


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 04:05 PM

So if another comet hits that sweet spot of Russia, will the permafrost blow up?


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 04:10 PM

View PostHuntrSThompsun, on 23 February 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

So if another comet hits that sweet spot of Russia, will the permafrost blow up?
The embodied energy within a serious asteroid strike would make it academic.

Otherwise the heating would be very localised - even if the damage were not.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 05:01 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 23 February 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:



Care to illuminate us as to the source of this ground shaking evidence that oil companies have funded the "AGW scare". It would seem to me that fossil fuel companies would be very interested in research which implicates their product in environmental harm - but thats a very different thing to them financing the "scare" as you suggest.

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what coffey is trying to say, if you'd calm down a little and read these posts properly br, is that results released by oil company scientists says that AGW is a myth, therefore vindicating the companies involved. he never suggested anything about them 'funding the scare', quite the opposite in fact.
there was a similar case involving tobacco companies funding research that came to the conclusion that cigarettes didn't cause cancer.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 06:25 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 23 February 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

No evidence that anything short of a few decades of short term variability can be attributed to natural causes.

Care to illuminate us as to the source of this ground shaking evidence that oil companies have funded the "AGW scare". It would seem to me that fossil fuel companies would be very interested in research which implicates their product in environmental harm - but thats a very different thing to them financing the "scare" as you suggest.

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Thought it was in this section of the forum, couldn't find it. Was posted a few weeks back.

It was becuse thye could raise up the prices of oil or something like that.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 06:31 PM

Since I personally believe that mankind's contribution to climate change is infinitesimal (other than in planned changes such as the now-fertile desert regions of Israel),  I can say this without even a twinge of guilt:
I can't wait for the permafrost in Siberia to melt! Imagine the fossils, the archeological ruins, the evidence of societies that existed millinea ago! It will be a literal treasure trove of topics for Unexplained Mysteries!

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 06:43 PM

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Edited by simplybill, 23 February 2013 - 06:43 PM.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 09:04 PM

View PostHuntrSThompsun, on 23 February 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

So if another comet hits that sweet spot of Russia, will the permafrost blow up?

Maybe a year ago, I happened to catch this video of 2 Russian fellows out tromping in the woods in northern Russia somewhere, maybe Siberia.  Flat wooded land, with what looked like 6 or 8 inches of old snow covering all the ground.  I suppose it would qualify as permafrost.  One guy carried a shovel type tool and the other carried a small flame on a wick or something.  The one guy would dig a small hole in the snow and ground, the other would hold the flame in the hole, and voila, burning methane.  Pretty cool to watch, but not nice to contemplate.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 12:45 AM

Meh... I already pay a tax and higher cost of living because of this crap. :@


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:52 AM

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 09:07 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 23 February 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

Maybe a year ago, I happened to catch this video of 2 Russian fellows out tromping in the woods in northern Russia somewhere, maybe Siberia.  Flat wooded land, with what looked like 6 or 8 inches of old snow covering all the ground.  I suppose it would qualify as permafrost.  One guy carried a shovel type tool and the other carried a small flame on a wick or something.  The one guy would dig a small hole in the snow and ground, the other would hold the flame in the hole, and voila, burning methane.  Pretty cool to watch, but not nice to contemplate.
Likely it was the swamps of Nindalf :)

Edited by Atentutankh-pasheri, 24 February 2013 - 09:07 AM.






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