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#1    crystal sage

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 10:27 PM

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/5-4-22/28064.html



" A series of experiments conducted over 35 years by America’s foremost lie detector expert Cleve Backster has shown that plants can sense and respond to external stimuli.

Backster’s School of Lie Detection, San Diego, specialises in training intelligence organisations and police departments in the use of lie detectors.

One part of a lie detector measures the galvanic skin response (GSR) of a subject. The GSR is a measure of the resistance of the subject’s skin to a small electrical current, indicating a change in their level of physiological arousal.

Early one morning in October 1966, Mr Backster connected the polygraph’s GSR electrodes to the leaf of a Dragon plant and then watered the base of the plant. His intention was to measure the amount of time it would take for water to reach the leaf and change its electrical resistance.

While expecting a drop in resistance as the water entered the leaf, Mr Baxter was not prepared for what followed – the resistance instead increased, and according to the polygraph results, the plant generated a curve similar to that of a human being experiencing happiness.

Mr Backster then tried another experiment. “It was early in the morning and no other person was in the laboratory. My thought and intent was: ‘I’m going to burn that leaf!’” Backster recorded, “The very moment the imagery of burning that leaf entered my mind, the polygraph recording pen moved rapidly to the top of the chart.”

He went to get a box of matches and returned, but realised the polygraph was already so agitated that there would be no observable response. So he took the matches back to his secretary’s office. According to Mr Backster, when he returned to the polygraph “the thing just evened right out again, which really rounded it out and gave me a very, very high quality observation.”

Over the next 35 years Mr Backster performed repeated blind, controlled and automated experiments to examine this phenomenon, which he calls “Primary Perception Biocommunication”, and others know as “the Backster Effect”.

His research found, among other things, that plants can perceive and measurably respond to intentional human thought and actions. Allegedly, Mr Backster’s experiments have been duplicated by scientists thousands of times using many variations."


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Posted 21 January 2007 - 10:34 PM

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http://www.derrickjensen.org/backster.html

.."DJ: Primary perception?

CB: I couldn't call what I was witnessing extrasensory perception, because plants don't have most of the first five senses to start with. This perception on the part of the plant seemed to take place at a much more basic, or primary, level. Thus the name.

Anyway, what emerged was an experiment in which I arranged for shrimp to be dropped automatically at random intervals into simmering water, while recording the reaction of plants at the other end of the lab.

DJ: How did you tell whether the plants were responding to the death of the shrimp, or to your emotions?

CB: It is very very hard to eliminate the interconnection between the experimenter and the plants being tested. Even the briefest association with the plants--just a few hours--is enough to let them become attuned to you. Then, even though you automate the experiment and leave the laboratory, and even though you set a time delay switch for random intervals, guaranteeing you are entirely unaware of when the experiment starts, the plants will remain attuned to you, no matter where you go. At first, my partner and I used to go to a bar a block away, and after a time we began to grow suspicious that the plants were not responding to the death of the brine shrimp at all, but instead to the rising and falling levels of excitement in our conversations. Finally, we came up with a way around this. We had someone else buy the plants, and store them in another part of the building we didn't frequent. On the day of the experiment we went to the holding area, brought the plants in, hooked them up, and left. This meant the plants were in a strange environment, they had the pressure of the electrodes, they had a little trickle of electricity going through their leaves, and they'd been deserted. Because they were not attuned to us or to anyone else, they began "looking around" for anything that would acquaint them with their environment. Then, and only then, did something so subtle as the deaths of the brine shrimp get picked up by the plants.

DJ: Do plants become attuned over time only to humans, or do they become attuned to others in their environment as well?

CB: I'll answer that with an example. Often I hook up a plant and just go about my business, then observe what makes it respond. One day back in New York City I was making coffee. The coffee maker we had in the lab was a dripolater, where you put a teakettle on, boil the water, pour it in, and it drips down. We normally didn't empty the teakettle, but just topped it off later. This particular day, however, I needed the teakettle for something else, and so poured the scalding water down the sink. The plant being monitored showed huge reactions. It turns out that if you don't put chemicals or very hot water down the sink for a long time, a little jungle begins to grow down there. Under a microscope it's almost as scary as the bar scene in Star Wars. Well, the plant was responding to the death of the microbes. "


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Posted 21 January 2007 - 11:36 PM

the mythbusters did an experiment on this, and they got some positive results from the plants when they had thoughts of hurting them


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Posted 22 January 2007 - 02:00 AM

This makes me wonder.  How would the plant respond if it noticed me eating a salad?  Would it respond to different salad dressings?  That's actually very interesting.  I haven't heard of this until this thread.

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Posted 22 January 2007 - 02:50 AM

I remember watching a show on the Discovery channel a few years back that documented research of plants communicating.  It seemed that they sort of communicate through low frequency sounds through their roots.  If one of the plants caught a disease than it would send messages to other plants to create more of a certain chemical.

You know, they always say you should talk to your plants in a friendly manner, but not yell to make them grow better.


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Posted 22 January 2007 - 03:00 AM

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I remember watching a show on the Discovery channel a few years back that documented research of plants communicating. It seemed that they sort of communicate through low frequency sounds through their roots. If one of the plants caught a disease than it would send messages to other plants to create more of a certain chemical.

You know, they always say you should talk to your plants in a friendly manner, but not yell to make them grow better.


Before I read this, I thought that was just the carbon dioxide from your breath causing the plants to be healthier.  At least that's what we were taught in school anyhow.

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Posted 22 January 2007 - 10:22 PM

original.gif This new awareness of the life force of the plant life...brings a new understandings  and respect  to consuming foods!!!


So that also points out the remarkable understanding of the ancients.. in the 'chi'..energy of the foods!!  and how it's preparation affected the consumers!!

obviously stressed out veges...and foods..wouldn't be as beneficial for the consumer or as 'tasty' ,as foods cooked with love and respect for the ingredients.... eg home cooking or a great chef...  also I suppose that brings an understanding of the intuitive reasoning of saying 'Grace'... of giving thanks to God..or nature for our foods... or the religous preparations of some of our foods..eg Kosher preparations... it is calming..or gently releasing the life force of the foods...or gently assimilating them to our 'life forces'... why eating when you are angry or stressed can cause indigestion .,..etc...

So Mass produced foods... How would that rate... ??? Would it automatically switch off..aneasthetize the feelings of the plant life...then too we must think of the stress levels/emotions of the meats we consume!!!

Gives another reasoning for consuming  free range foods!!!


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Posted 22 January 2007 - 11:10 PM

Hate to be the one to do this, but Mr. Backster, did not use any controls in his "experiment" and has been debunked.  The  myth busters Busted him as well.

http://skepdic.com/plants.html
http://www.the-scientist.com/article/display/15726/


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Posted 23 January 2007 - 05:22 AM

Thats very interesting...

But I hope it's not true, because I've got a couple of Poinsettas experiencing a sloww and painful death right now... I'm feeling really guilty!   sad.gif  Do they know of all the other house plants that have met their demise in my care?   ohmy.gif  I've got one that has been through alot and I've had it forever, it has witnessed it all.  Is it telling my other plants what I have done?   no.gif


(5 minutes later)

I just watered my plants (and sang them a song)...  innocent.gif

Edited by Violet_Blue, 23 January 2007 - 10:53 PM.

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 10:19 AM

I don't see why plants can't communicate with each other, human telepathy may be pushing the boundaries a little though.  I'm not 100% certain on that.

Sounds like you need to weed out that traitor Violet w00t.gif

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 11:13 AM

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Hate to be the one to do this, but Mr. Backster, did not use any controls in his "experiment" and has been debunked.  The  myth busters Busted him as well.

http://skepdic.com/plants.html
http://www.the-scientist.com/article/display/15726/

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"n 1969 Marcel [Joseph Vogel] gave a course in creativity for engineers at IBM. It was at this time that he read an article in Argosy magazine entitled “Do Plants Have Emotions?” about the work of polygraph expert Cleve Backster into the responsiveness of plants to human interaction. Despite initial rejection of the concept of human-plant communication, he decided to explore these strange claims.

He was able to duplicate the Backster effect of using plants as transducers for bio-energetic fields that the human mind releases, demonstrating that plants respond to thought. He used split leaf philodendrons connected to a Wheatstone Bridge that would compare a known resistance to an unknown resistance. He learned that when he released his breath slowly there was virtually no response from the plant. When he pulsed his breath through the nostrils, as he held a thought in mind, the plant would respond dramatically. It was also found that these fields, linked to the action of breath and thought, do not have a significant time domain to them. The responsiveness of the plants to thought was also the same whether eight inches away, eight feet, or eight thousand miles! Based on the results of the experiments the inverse square law does not apply to thought. This was the beginning of Marcel’s transformation from being a purely rational scientist to becoming a spiritual or mystical scientist.

Basically it was found that plants respond more to the thought of being cut, burned, or torn than to the actual act. He discovered that if he tore a leaf from one plant a second plant would respond, but only if he was paying attention to it. The plants seemed to be mirroring his own mental responses. He concluded that the plants were acting like batteries, storing the energy of his thoughts and intentions. He said of these experiments: “I learned that there is energy connected with thought. Thought can be pulsed and the energy connected with it becomes coherent and has a laser-like power.”(Rumi Da, purveyor of fine crystals).*"


"Although similar experiments [to Backster's] have been repeated thousands of times, all over the world, for more than 15 years, we have failed to grasp the implications. Part of the problem is that Backster is not a "scientist" and those guys don't like to admit that anyone else knows anything. That's pride and arrogance at its worst, but not so unusual in the laboratory. Even the rest of us find it hard to believe that the "primitives" were actually communicating with their plants through rituals and sacrifice. We simply refuse to believe that there could be any "intelligence" around here but us, while we live in a world smarter than us at every turn. It is obvious that our collective view of primitive religion is in need of some revision.*"


It seems believable to me!!!

this is what scientists are discovering...
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/311/5762/812

http://lamar.colostate.edu/~jvivanco/paper...harsh_trend.pdf


"RALEIGH, N.C. – Hardly articulate, the tiny strangleweed, a pale parasitic plant, can sense the presence of friends, foes, and food, and make adroit decisions on how to approach them....But the late Nobel Prize-winning plant geneticist Barbara McClintock called plant cells "thoughtful." Darwin wrote about root-tip "brains." Not only can plants communicate with each other and with insects by coded gas exhalations, scientists say now, they can perform Euclidean geometry calculations through cellular computations and, like a peeved boss, remember the tiniest transgression for months.

To a growing number of biologists, the fact that plants are now known to challenge and exert power over other species is proof of a basic intellect.......

"If intelligence is the capacity to acquire and apply knowledge, then, absolutely, plants are intelligent," agrees Leslie Sieburth, a biologist at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City.

For philosophers, one of the key findings is that two cuttings, or clones, taken from the same "mother plant" behave differently even when planted in identical conditions.

"We now know there's an ability of self-recognition in plants, which is highly unusual and quite extraordinary that it's actually there," says Dr. Trewavas. "But why has no one come to grips with it? Because the prevailing view of a plant, even among plant biologists, is that it's a simple organism that grows reproducibly in a flower pot."

...Still, a new NASA grant awarded to the university to study gravitational effects on crop plants came in part due to new findings that plants have neurotransmitters very similar to humans' - capable, perhaps, of offering clues on how gravity affects more sentient beings. The National Science Foundation has awarded a $5 million research grant to pinpoint the molecular clockwork by which plants know when to grow and when to flower.
The new field of plant neurobiology holds its first conference - The First Symposium on Plant Neurobiology - in May in Florence, Italy."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0303/p01s03-usgn.html


http://discover.com/issues/apr-02/features/featplants/

"Some of the most complex studies came out of these controlled environments. In 1988 Marcel Dicke and his colleagues at Wageningen University in the Netherlands offered evidence that plants under insect attack could enlist help from the enemies of their enemies. Dicke found that when spider mites attack lima bean plants, the plants release a chemical SOS that attracts another mite that preys on the spider mite. Mechanically damaged plants do not produce the cues; most likely, only elicitors in the saliva of the insect can trigger the plant to produce the right molecules. "Today," Dicke says, "the scientific community agrees that plants talking to their bodyguards is likely to be a characteristic of most, if not all, plant species." Even the gingko—a species that has been around for 150 million years—can communicate chemically with insects, he adds. "




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Posted 23 January 2007 - 11:16 AM

Well then, what are they vegetarians going to eat now????  You better keep this quiet... shhhh.....


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Posted 23 January 2007 - 11:23 AM

http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_articl...0010-001034.htm


grin2.gif cool.gif  Or as many frustrated gardeners may be able to verify.... the number of times after a bad harvest... or a well nurtured fruit tree in the garden  continually gives a disapointing crop... and you   start threatening the plant... giving it one more year to grow a decent crop...or else an axe will be taken to it...

and low and behold... the threat works!!! and a bumper crop is harvested with the juiciest fruits ever!!!

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 11:38 AM

Unless the plant is suicidal...


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Posted 23 January 2007 - 01:18 PM

Water responds the same way as well...I read a book on it but I forget what it was titled. I'll look it up when I'm feeling less lazy original.gif
I don't think that the plants has as complex emotions as humans, but I do think that they record and absorb any energy around them, bad or good.





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