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[scowl]

Mallaliak, on 07 February 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

Let's summarise this "Ancient Astronout Theory" according to the show and what they supposedly belives in.

Did they include the original "Chariots of the Gods" theory?

Aliens needed gigantic and complicated symbols placed on the ground to know where to land their spacecraft. Because aliens who possess interstellar technology can't read a map and simple geometric figures would be confusing.

[karmakazi]

scowl, on 06 February 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

Digital cameras and phones are much easier to disable yet I have not read a single report of someone saying their digital camera or phone camera failed during an alien encounter.

Before I got to this statement in your post I was thinking about how many times I wished I'd had my camera with me or that I missed an awesome photograph because I couldn't get my phone out / camera program open fast enough before the moment had passed.

Of course I'm talking about taking pictures of butterflies, sunsets and other fleeting things like that, but same premise right? lol  Maybe people don't talk about it because they think without any picture at all they'll be laughed out of the room without a second thought... as are all the people who do have photos.


I've seen some unexplained things but I don't mention it to anyone because I don't know for certain what I saw.  I've also seen bizarre things that had an immediately obvious and irrefutable explanation.

[Mallaliak]

scowl, on 07 February 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Did they include the original "Chariots of the Gods" theory?

Aliens needed gigantic and complicated symbols placed on the ground to know where to land their spacecraft. Because aliens who possess interstellar technology can't read a map and simple geometric figures would be confusing.

I belive they might have referenced to it as evidence, or credible source material. So yeah.. Those fictional aliens sounds very likely to require big signs, like that one in Scary Movie 4, "Invade here"  

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karmakazi, on 07 February 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

Before I got to this statement in your post I was thinking about how many times I wished I'd had my camera with me or that I missed an awesome photograph because I couldn't get my phone out / camera program open fast enough before the moment had passed.

I saw a mysterious slow flying object (almost certainly a plane) pass over the freeway in front of me at night when coming back from a football game. I had a professional DSLR with a 300mm lens on my lap and never thought of taking a picture of it until 10-15 seconds after it was gone.  

But I saw that for only maybe 10 seconds. Many old UFO reports describe seeing a space craft for several minutes, sometimes on the ground. If you come across a flying saucer sitting on tripod landing gear and aliens in silver uniforms walking around it, pull out the damn cell phone and take some shots of it!

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Mallaliak, on 07 February 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

I belive they might have referenced to it as evidence, or credible source material. So yeah.. Those fictional aliens sounds very likely to require big signs, like that one in Scary Movie 4, "Invade here"  

Netflix will be sending me the original "Chariots of the Gods" documentary tomorrow. It scared the living hell out of me as a kid. I spent months looking up at the sky for "ancient astronauts".

Will it be as scary now? Of course not, but I hope it will make me smile.

[karmakazi]

scowl, on 07 February 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

I saw a mysterious slow flying object (almost certainly a plane) pass over the freeway in front of me at night when coming back from a football game. I had a professional DSLR with a 300mm lens on my lap and never thought of taking a picture of it until 10-15 seconds after it was gone.  

But I saw that for only maybe 10 seconds. Many old UFO reports describe seeing a space craft for several minutes, sometimes on the ground. If you come across a flying saucer sitting on tripod landing gear and aliens in silver uniforms walking around it, pull out the damn cell phone and take some shots of it!

You have my word that if I ever see that, I will take pictures

[lost_shaman]

scowl, on 07 February 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

I don't want anything more "exotic", just different. If life can appear in many forms, why haven't other forms appeared on Earth? The RNA/DNA system is about as exotic as any system I can think of.

Well then, different in what way? Spell it out so it can be discussed, otherwise I don't see where you get the idea of rarity?

scowl, on 07 February 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

They are also present in my garage but life is not forming from them. The ingredients of life are simple. Turning them into life is beyond our understanding at this point.

But obviously this process, whatever it is, occured in Nature. I don't see any reason to think it wouldn't happen in other star systems.

scowl, on 07 February 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

Then what is it evidence of? We only have one basic form of life on Earth. That's all. If this isn't evidence that life is pretty difficult to create then what is it evidence of?

As if one isn't enough? The way I see it Life arose so quickly on Earth that this suggests it may be common.

scowl, on 07 February 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

Because life on Earth was fortunate enough to have enough diversity to adapt to these changes. If it hadn't, Earth would would be as dead as every other planet.

That just tells us how hardy Life is, and if it is so hardy here it should also be elsewhere.

scowl, on 07 February 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

This is actually very simple.

We know that life will consume all resources available to it. If these resources are not replenished through some sort of cycle, life will die. The amount of resources makes no difference. It may take a hundred years, it may take a thousand, it may take a million, but eventually those resources will be consumed and life will die.

As long as simple things like erosion take place then your "problem" is solved.

scowl, on 07 February 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

The formation of a carbon cycle on Earth is what prevented life from destroying itself on Earth. If life on other planets don't form a cycle like this, the life will die. Life consumes products and converts them into useless waste. If the waste doesn't become a resource for other life, eventually as you have is waste and no resources. And no life.

The formation of this cycle is almost as incredible as the formation of life itself.

These cycles occur naturally on Planets and Moons for instance the carbon cycle on Mars, or the methane cycle on Titan.

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lost_shaman, on 07 February 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

Well then, different in what way? Spell it out so it can be discussed, otherwise I don't see where you get the idea of rarity?

One idea I like is the theory of molecules collecting molecules until they get so large that they split, then the process starts again. This is sort of a form of life that wouldn't involve making perfect copies like the DNA/RNA system.

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But obviously this process, whatever it is, occured in Nature. I don't see any reason to think it wouldn't happen in other star systems.

Of course you wouldn't, because neither of us know what that process was or all the things that were necessary for it to happen.

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As if one isn't enough? The way I see it Life arose so quickly on Earth that this suggests it may be common.

Have you looked around the solar system? Life is not common.

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That just tells us how hardy Life is, and if it is so hardy here it should also be elsewhere.

But if life wasn't hardy here, you wouldn't be here to say that. Just because something happened once doesn't mean it will ever happen again.

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As long as simple things like erosion take place then your "problem" is solved.

Please tell me how this "erosion" turns my waste products back into resources that will sustain life.

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These cycles occur naturally on Planets and Moons for instance the carbon cycle on Mars, or the methane cycle on Titan.

Mars does not have a carbon cycle. All of its carbon is now trapped and is going nowhere. Anything that may have relied on it is now dead.

The methanological cycle on Titan has nothing to do with life. It is just circulation of methane just like water circulates on Earth. It is never converted to other chemicals as it would be if a life form were consuming it as a resource. You're confusing types of cycles. The carbon cycle on Earth which life relies on is a chemical cycle.

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scowl, on 08 February 2012 - 01:01 AM, said:

One idea I like is the theory of molecules collecting molecules until they get so large that they split, then the process starts again. This is sort of a form of life that wouldn't involve making perfect copies like the DNA/RNA system.

That doesn't sound very life-like to me. But I suppose since you don't see it you take this to mean life in the universe must be rare.  

scowl, on 08 February 2012 - 01:01 AM, said:

Of course you wouldn't, because neither of us know what that process was or all the things that were necessary for it to happen.

Right just as I don't know exactly how supernovas produce PANH's. Who's to say that process of Molecule formation doesn't go further and arrange these into simple life that wafts around in the interstellar dust until Star systems form?

scowl, on 08 February 2012 - 01:01 AM, said:

Have you looked around the solar system? Life is not common.

What is that supposed to mean? Have you 'looked around' and been able to determine simple life isn't present in the solar system?

scowl, on 08 February 2012 - 01:01 AM, said:

But if life wasn't hardy here, you wouldn't be here to say that. Just because something happened once doesn't mean it will ever happen again.

My point is that life is hardy by nature. Carbon based life elsewhere will be hardy by nature as well.

scowl, on 08 February 2012 - 01:01 AM, said:

Please tell me how this "erosion" turns my waste products back into resources that will sustain life.

I didn't say erosion turns waste into resources, plate techtonics does that.

scowl, on 08 February 2012 - 01:01 AM, said:

Mars does not have a carbon cycle. All of its carbon is now trapped and is going nowhere. Anything that may have relied on it is now dead.

Carbon out gasses from the mantel, yes this will eventually stop but here we are 4.6 billion years after the solar system formed and the carbon is still out gassing.

scowl, on 08 February 2012 - 01:01 AM, said:

The methanological cycle on Titan has nothing to do with life. It is just circulation of methane just like water circulates on Earth. It is never converted to other chemicals as it would be if a life form were consuming it as a resource. You're confusing types of cycles. The carbon cycle on Earth which life relies on is a chemical cycle.

Plate techtonics on exoplanets that do devolpe life will insure a carbon cycle. That's hardly the miraculous event that you are suggesting this would be.

[DONTEATUS]

I can assure you we will be ancient Long before we Meet E.T`s that Fly around and buzz us ,and tip our cows !
Now the abduction of our women  ? Well you cant Blame them for that one !

[lost_shaman]

DONTEATUS, on 08 February 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

I can assure you we will be ancient Long before we Meet E.T`s that Fly around and buzz us ,and tip our cows !

Which begs the question, what are the UFO's?

DONTEATUS, on 08 February 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

Now the abduction of our women  ? Well you cant Blame them for that one !

When I was younger 'chicks' abducted me, but I digress.  

[SamDavies]

scowl, on 07 February 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Did they include the original "Chariots of the Gods" theory?

Aliens needed gigantic and complicated symbols placed on the ground to know where to land their spacecraft. Because aliens who possess interstellar technology can't read a map and simple geometric figures would be confusing.

LOL. No. They just there so they didn't land anywhere they b***** well pleased. Can you imagine the chaos if we did not have airports; planes landing anywhere and colliding.

Haven't seen all the 32 episodes yet. History Channel is repeating episodes. Hopefully all. But I am sure the Chariots of the Gods thing will be brought up again. I just see these huge viewed from the sky 'markers' as ancient airports as just stated.

Edit for spelling mistake and wrong word use.

Edited by SamDavies, 08 February 2012 - 06:07 PM.

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lost_shaman, on 08 February 2012 - 01:54 AM, said:

That doesn't sound very life-like to me. But I suppose since you don't see it you take this to mean life in the universe must be rare.  

That is a stretch of the definition of life, but I'm at a disadvantage because we only know of one single form of life in the universe. Ask me to theorize about other ones and you're not going to a lot of ideas.

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Right just as I don't know exactly how supernovas produce PANH's.

I would totally believe that you and others know exactly how supernovas might create molecules that might generate life. But I'm certain you do not know how life originated on Earth.

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Who's to say that process of Molecule formation doesn't go further and arrange these into simple life that wafts around in the interstellar dust until Star systems form?

Anyone can say anything but that does not make it anything more than a theory.

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What is that supposed to mean? Have you 'looked around' and been able to determine simple life isn't present in the solar system?

Have you? If simple life is "common" then it's doing its damnest to avoid our detection.

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My point is that life is hardy by nature. Carbon based life elsewhere will be hardy by nature as well.

Tell us by what "nature" makes carbon based life so hardy.

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I didn't say erosion turns waste into resources, plate techtonics [sic] does that.

You said "erosion". You didn't say plate tectonics but by all means explain how plate tectonics will cyclically turn my waste products into resources for other life forms so life will exist eternally.

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Carbon out gasses from the mantel, yes this will eventually stop but here we are 4.6 billion years after the solar system formed and the carbon is still out gassing.

Out-gassing does not create a cycle. Gas comes out, gas stays out. Less gas comes out every year. Life dies because carbon is used and there is no cycle to reuse it. The out-gassing of carbon from the Earth's mantel now is barely measurable and not enough to support life. If life relied on out-gassing on Earth, this would be a dead planet.

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Plate techtonics on exoplanets that do devolpe life will insure a carbon cycle. That's hardly the miraculous event that you are suggesting this would be.

What you describe is not a miraculous event because out-gassing is not the carbon cycle that perpetuates life on Earth. It's much more complicated than that. To understand this miraculous event, please read:

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Carbon_cycle

[SamDavies]

scowl, on 06 February 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

What people believe doesn't change the truth.

The science of UFO investigation hasn't advanced much at all. In fact if you had told me back in the 1970's that in 2010 nearly every American would be carrying around a small portable phone that could capture high resolution video better than film, I would have expected to have seen dozens of undeniable videos and photos of flying saucers with aliens in space suits coming out of them and taking samples by now.

What have we gotten? Videos of blurry dots. Photos of blurry dots. A photo of a bug guts on a airplane window. And a whole lot of hoaxes.

Another funny thing. Back in the 1970's UFO witnesses often claimed that their mechanical cameras had "failed" when they tried to take a photo of an alien encounter. Clearly the aliens had some sort of technology to make our primitive mechanical systems fail just like they were making our cars stall as we approached their spacecraft on deserted highways.

Digital cameras and phones are much easier to disable yet I have not read a single report of someone saying their digital camera or phone camera failed during an alien encounter. There have been several hoaxes where the "witness" claimed to only be able to take one or two pictures because their batteries died, but no one blames the aliens any more. Come on, hoaxers, make your stories more exciting! You took your fake picture, the spaceship hit you with a beam of light, and your phone or camera stopped working.  

I carry my camera in my pocket every where I go. When I go to bed it is beside me. I do this now as too often I've missed a wonderful opportunity to capture a pic of a beautiful sunset or interesting insect or flower or a great pose by one or all my dogs together.

But even with camera in hand that does not guarantee picture of whatever unless it is something like sunset. My camera is not powerful enough to capture an object in the sky at all or with good clarity. By the time I have focused on something it would have moved or vanished. Then there is the fact I have to turn my camera on in the first place and put it on the right setting. Anyway, there are thousands of pictures taken by people of possible UFOs. Unfortunately, most are blurry as most of us do not carry powerful cameras around with us. And even if we did there's the problems I've just mentioned. And hey, have you not noticed that even when someone does present a clear video or photo they are either accused of being good hoaxes or fobbed off as something else. With todays wonderful graphics and photo editing it is near impossible to distinguish between anything real or hoax these days.

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SamDavies, on 08 February 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

I carry my camera in my pocket every where I go. When I go to bed it is beside me. I do this now as too often I've missed a wonderful opportunity to capture a pic of a beautiful sunset or interesting insect or flower or a great pose by one or all my dogs together.

But even with camera in hand that does not guarantee picture of whatever unless it is something like sunset. My camera is not powerful enough to capture an object in the sky at all or with good clarity. By the time I have focused on something it would have moved or vanished. Then there is the fact I have to turn my camera on in the first place and put it on the right setting. Anyway, there are thousands of pictures taken by people of possible UFOs. Unfortunately, most are blurry as most of us do not carry powerful cameras around with us. And even if we did there's the problems I've just mentioned. And hey, have you not noticed that even when someone does present a clear video or photo they are either accused of being good hoaxes or fobbed off as something else. With todays wonderful graphics and photo editing it is near impossible to distinguish between anything real or hoax these days.

This is why we need not keep a cam ready any more,just make it up ,Right ?