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#226    Yamato

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 08:18 AM

View Postspayneuter, on 01 March 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

What do you see in his eyes?
Umm that he has no earthly idea that this little girl is going to go teenage mutant ninja turtle on his @%$ at any moment.  ;)

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 08:25 AM

View PostYamato, on 01 March 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

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All I can think is Zoolander's blue steel pose. If I could see his pupils better in the picture I could give a better opinion, but from what I see in the picture all I get is anger not fear.


Psychology is a very complex system, I really think the judicial system should have an expert watching more often then what is being presently done. A lot of how she is acting reminds me more of an emotional weak women with social anxiety going through killer's remorse then dangerous psychopath.
Once you push a person past their limit's good bye to their normal everyday responses.

Then again she could be acting, but it is hard to tell because the Prosecutor was aggressive towards her provoking allowing for a natural emotional response to happen.

I haven't been able to catch a lot of evidence though, Maybe like 5 picture,a whole bunch of speculation.(From what I've seen so far, I can speculate at least 20 ways this could of happened; with outcomes that make each and both parties looking like criminals.

The whole "It's improbable argument" that I keep hearing doesn't work for me either. Han Solo; "Never tell me the odds" comes to mind. Well that and if you get struck by lightning no matter how improbable it is, you still got hit by lightning.

I would think this is a case of voluntary manslaughter(and maybe desecration of a dead body; if I was feeling like a prick), with a side of premeditated stupidity, at the minimum. Highly doubt it's first degree murder though.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:05 AM

View Postspayneuter, on 01 March 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

I still think she shot him first.  That was the whole reason for bringing the gun.  Then there is the fear in his eyes in the shower photos.  If she were only holding a knife, he would have taken it away from her.  She shot him but then the gun jammed (as per her lie about the ninjas).  She went to get the knife and when she got back, he was stumbling in the hallway.  She started stabbing, he held up his hands to protect himself and backed into the bathroom.  Then he was down and she continued stabbing.

You may be right but,
The next stage of the trial is juriers asking questions, I have a question for all here. If Travis was shot frist at the sink after getting out of the shower at 5.29( the last picture of him the shower alive in the camera that Jodi was taking pictures of) and there is the spattered blood in the sink( he must have been standing) and the gun shell was found there, would there be enough time for him to be shot, run down the hall with Jodi  stabbing him in the back and then cut his throat  at the end  of the hall way, the photo then of her dragging his bleeding body back down the hall to the bathroon carring the camera when that photo was accidently shot at 5.31 ? Thats only about three seconds.

Edited by docyabut2, 02 March 2013 - 09:08 AM.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:27 AM

Also some say the times on the photos in the camera may not right, because the camera went through a wash cycle, but to me, it is the timing or the scenario of the murder of poor Travis.I just don`t think the timings on the photos could have been mixed up.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:30 AM

Entertaining the members of Guilt R Us for a moment, she slit his throat at the sink, maybe under the auspices of shaving him while he stuck his neck out, then engaged in the knife attack and the multiple stabbings, he couldn't defend himself effectively because his throat was cut so she overpowered him as he got weaker and weaker, then after he collapsed she dragged his almost lifeless body back into the bathroom, dragged him into the shower stall and put a bullet in his head to make sure he was dead.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:45 PM

Sorry guys, meant to say three minutes , not seconds. :blush:


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:47 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 02 March 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

If Travis was shot frist at the sink after getting out of the shower at 5.29( the last picture of him the shower alive in the camera that Jodi was taking pictures of) and there is the spattered blood in the sink( he must have been standing) and the gun shell was found there, would there be enough time for him to be shot, run down the hall with Jodi  stabbing him in the back and then cut his throat  at the end  of the hall way, the photo then of her dragging his bleeding body back down the hall to the bathroon carring the camera when that photo was accidently shot at 5.31 ? Thats only about three seconds.

Re: the shower photos, it's my understanding that:
Exhibit # 159 is timestamped @ 5:29:20, showing Alexander sitting in the shower, looking toward the camera.
Exhibit # 160 is timestamped @ 5:30:30, showing Alexander still sitting, but his head/face isn't shown.
Exhibit # 161 is timestamped @ 5:31:14, is of the bathroom ceiling, and the camera appears to be either in motion, or out of focus because there's blur in the photo.
Exhibit # 162 is timestamped @ 5:32:16, shows Alexander on the floor, bleeding.
Exhibit # 163 is timestamped @ 5:33:13, shows a blood-smeared baseboard.

When I look at all of the shower photos (16 showing Alexander alive and began @ 5:22:24), I see that on average, there's 3 photos per minute, except that when we get to the 'sitting/facing, sitting head/face not shown' photos, there's over a minute between the two.

Exhibit's # 161- 163, the 'unintentional' photos, show a pattern of 1 per minute.

Edited by regi, 02 March 2013 - 01:27 PM.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:15 PM

I'm curious as to how Arias' attorney was retained...or why Nurmi was retained to defend Arias.
Nurmi advertizes defending those charged with sexual offenses.
I find that interesting (to say the least), considering the heavy emphasis the defense has placed on sex, which doesn't have squat to do with the self defense scenario which Arias described in her testimony... in which she stated that she didn't EVEN mean to EVEN shoot Alexander in the first place. :huh:

http://www.maricopasexcrimes.com

Edited by regi, 02 March 2013 - 02:18 PM.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:51 PM

View Postregi, on 02 March 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

Re: the shower photos, it's my understanding that:
Exhibit # 159 is timestamped @ 5:29:20, showing Alexander sitting in the shower, looking toward the camera.
Exhibit # 160 is timestamped @ 5:30:30, showing Alexander still sitting, but his head/face isn't shown.
Exhibit # 161 is timestamped @ 5:31:14, is of the bathroom ceiling, and the camera appears to be either in motion, or out of focus because there's blur in the photo.
Exhibit # 162 is timestamped @ 5:32:16, shows Alexander on the floor, bleeding.
Exhibit # 163 is timestamped @ 5:33:13, shows a blood-smeared baseboard.

When I look at all of the shower photos (16 showing Alexander alive and began @ 5:22:24), I see that on average, there's 3 photos per minute, except that when we get to the 'sitting/facing, sitting head/face not shown' photos, there's over a minute between the two.

Exhibit's # 161- 163, the 'unintentional' photos, show a pattern of 1 per minute.


Regi what do you think? between the time that Travis was alive in the photos at the time of 5:29:20, to the time of 5:32:16 when he was being dragged by Jodi on the hallway floor bleeding, would  it have been enough time for all that Jodi did to kill Tarvis?


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 04:49 PM

View Postspayneuter, on 01 March 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

I think maybe Yam isn't watching the trial.  He may be getting his information from the TV and not from live feed.

Yam's responses remind me of an old Monthy Python skit. "I'm here for an arguement." "No, you aren't." "Yes, I am." "No you aren't."
I think Yam likes to stir things up. Keep the discussion going. Bug the heck out of people. :w00t:


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 04:54 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 02 March 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

You may be right but,
The next stage of the trial is juriers asking questions, I have a question for all here. If Travis was shot frist at the sink after getting out of the shower at 5.29( the last picture of him the shower alive in the camera that Jodi was taking pictures of) and there is the spattered blood in the sink( he must have been standing) and the gun shell was found there, would there be enough time for him to be shot, run down the hall with Jodi  stabbing him in the back and then cut his throat  at the end  of the hall way, the photo then of her dragging his bleeding body back down the hall to the bathroon carring the camera when that photo was accidently shot at 5.31 ? Thats only about three seconds.

Good point!  Maybe she pulled the gun on him while he was in the shower but didn't shoot him there.  She made him get out of the shower  and he tried to get the gun when they were by the sink.  The gun went off, shooting him in the head.  Then the gun jammed and she went to get a knife.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 04:54 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 02 March 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

Regi what do you think? between the time that Travis was alive in the photos at the time of 5:29:20, to the time of 5:32:16 when he was being dragged by Jodi on the hallway floor bleeding, would  it have been enough time for all that Jodi did to kill Tarvis?
Maybe she didn't do it all at one time. Maybe some in the hallway, some in the bathroom. A little stabbing here, a little over there. Like a cat playing with its prey. It seems she didn't feel like she was going to run out of time. She stayed after the killing to put stuff in the washer, clean herself up, etc. Even so she must have felt at some time that he was not dying fast enough and slit his throat. It would have been easy for her to do if he was laying on the floor.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 05:06 PM

View PostYamato, on 02 March 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

Entertaining the members of Guilt R Us for a moment, she slit his throat at the sink, maybe under the auspices of shaving him while he stuck his neck out, then engaged in the knife attack and the multiple stabbings, he couldn't defend himself effectively because his throat was cut so she overpowered him as he got weaker and weaker, then after he collapsed she dragged his almost lifeless body back into the bathroom, dragged him into the shower stall and put a bullet in his head to make sure he was dead.

I confess. When did she cut his throat, is something I haven't given much thought to.  It's an important part of the puzzle too.  I'm going to have to think about this.  The one thing that really doesn't make sense to me is why did she drag the body back into the shower?   Was there too much blood and she wanted it to go down the drain?  Why would that matter to her?

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 05:11 PM

View Postregi, on 02 March 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

I'm curious as to how Arias' attorney was retained...or why Nurmi was retained to defend Arias.
Nurmi advertizes defending those charged with sexual offenses.
I find that interesting (to say the least), considering the heavy emphasis the defense has placed on sex, which doesn't have squat to do with the self defense scenario which Arias described in her testimony... in which she stated that she didn't EVEN mean to EVEN shoot Alexander in the first place. :huh:

http://www.maricopasexcrimes.com

http://www.huffingto..._n_2387245.html

This doesn't have details, but part of the timeline states:

September 9, 2008 – A public defender was assigned to represent Arias.

August 8, 2011 - Arias told Judge Sherry Stephens of Maricopa County Superior Court that she wanted to represent herself. (in true narcissistic fashion) Stephens granted the request but had Arias' public defenders, Victoria Washington and Kirk Nurmi, remain on as advisory counsel.

August 16, 2011 – A request to admit letters that Arias claimed Alexander sent her prior to his death was denied. In the letters, Alexander allegedly admitted to being a pedophile. Prosecutor Juan Martinez told the court that the letters were tested and found to be forgeries. After the ruling, Arias told Judge Stephens that she was "over her head." (needed help keeping up with the lies) The judge then reinstated her defense counsel.

January 2012 - Jennifer Willmott, a death penalty-qualified defense attorney, was assigned to represent Arias.

So, looks like Nurmi was just in a pool of public defenders. Maybe a pool of sex crime public defenders. So that means Arizona is paying for him. If he specializes in sex crimes, then he probably thinks all crimes have some basis in sex. Like an electrician walking into some place and immediately seeing all the electrical setups.

Edited by boos2u, 02 March 2013 - 05:13 PM.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 05:25 PM

View PostYamato, on 01 March 2013 - 12:42 PM, said:

The liar admitted a lot of things.   Are we going to believe all of it, none of it, or just what regi cherry picks for us to believe?

Just as you cherry-pick what you are going to believe and then express that opinion to the forum. Just as we all do. Regi is stating her opinion based on what she has read, seen, heard. Just as we all do. Whether we chose to take regi's opinion as part of our own, is our choice and we have the freedom to do so. Just because someone (not regi) believes that their opinion is the best and most right doesn't mean we have to give up our opinion and 100% accept someones else's. I think you confuse discussion with arguing.





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