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#16    psyche101

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:24 AM

View Postsandragly79, on 24 April 2013 - 02:16 AM, said:

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:39 AM

I don't really participate in this category.

But, Roswell was obviously a crash of some sort that the government wanted to keep hidden.
Why?
We can keep on theorizing, but no permanent solution will be called upon..
We already know something is out there, whether it be unknown military aircraft or extraterrestrials, by all of the footage shown.. Not to mention all the eyewitness testimonies.

Why create a question upon the question of what really crashed in Roswell?
Why theorize? I'm sure "aliens" have malfunctions in their machinery.

I guess I should retire myself from this site..


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:44 AM

View PostHilander, on 24 April 2013 - 12:22 AM, said:

I don't know why the military would make such a big deal over a weather balloon though.  Makes me think possibly there was an alien craft but we will never have solid proof of either.

Well, it makes sense if said weather balloon was carrying highly sensitive equipment, like Project Mogul. Honestly, what doesn't make sense for me is if it was indeed an ET craft. You would think that even in 1947 they would have some sense of quarantining as they would have no idea of the risk of biological/chemical/nuclear contamination. In my honest opinion the operation would have been of a caliber that could not go by unnoticed for 30 years if the latter was the case.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:46 AM

View PostAliveInDeath7, on 24 April 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

I don't really participate in this category.

But, Roswell was obviously a crash of some sort that the government wanted to keep hidden.
Why?
We can keep on theorizing, but no permanent solution will be called upon..
We already know something is out there, whether it be unknown military aircraft or extraterrestrials, by all of the footage shown.. Not to mention all the eyewitness testimonies.

Why create a question upon the question of what really crashed in Roswell?
Why theorize? I'm sure "aliens" have malfunctions in their machinery.

I guess I should retire myself from this site..
No Oh ! No ! dont retire they only pay you half of what you already dont get in here ! Please grace us with your wisdom,intelligence ,ect point-of-view`s. Please we need new blood !

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:49 AM

Gidday mate!

View Postpsyche101, on 24 April 2013 - 01:47 AM, said:

Gidday mate

I agree, it is awesome, and it also does illustrate a mindset. People who claim to be "open minded" have to put their money where their mouth is, and you just do not see that with this hypothesis :D. They just go "shut up would ya" or "I don't believe it" which considering the hypothesis I think really means "I don't get it"  

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I know I have grilled Lost Shaman on this, and he answered all my questions beyond my satisfaction. I viewed it with a skeptical eye, but had to admit, it's pretty sound. I would appreciate anyone asking questions,

Oh, I know you have! While not participating I have certainly been following :P

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I feel it deserves more exposure than everything Bragalia has contributed to the subject, yet remains in the shadows.

Well, lets not go down the Bragalia path, shall we? That would be an insult to LS!

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That seems a crying shame. I hope we can turn that around. Good guy LS, I feel he is often misunderstood as so many can only see believer and skeptic, but he belongs more the the NP (natural phenomena) option, which throws the traditional debaters off balance a little.

He is a skeptic in my point of view. He will question whatever is put in front of him, but with an open mind. As all should do.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:59 AM

View PostAliveInDeath7, on 24 April 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

I don't really participate in this category.

Of course you do, look at you go!

View PostAliveInDeath7, on 24 April 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

But, Roswell was obviously a crash of some sort that the government wanted to keep hidden.
Why?

Officially the crash was a project MOGUL ballon train, consisting of around 28 balloons about 600 foot long, and loaded with sensitive instruments. This was a secret project designed to spy on Russia's atomic weapon program. As such, and being in the thick of the Cold War, the operation was kept secret. The US did not want Russia knowing how they were spying on them, because it would inflate tensions and give Russia a chance to counter the operation so the US would then learn nothing.

But I would recommend the links I have left to Lost Shamans Hypothesis.

View PostAliveInDeath7, on 24 April 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

We can keep on theorizing, but no permanent solution will be called upon..

I feel if was can restrict ourselves to the documents from the tome frame pertaining to the incident, and the activity around it, and ignore the media hype, then we have a reasonable chance of learning quite a bit about the incident.

View PostAliveInDeath7, on 24 April 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

We already know something is out there, whether it be unknown military aircraft or extraterrestrials, by all of the footage shown.. Not to mention all the eyewitness testimonies.

It is puzzling that it never leaves the atmosphere and goes into space, or arrives from space don't you think? With all these RADAR confirmations, not one can show us that these things actually come from space. It would seem an earthly phenomena is a far more likely answer. If UFO's are some form of free plasma that can be harnessed, it may well end our energy problems for ever. That too is something we might find rather important.

View PostAliveInDeath7, on 24 April 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

Why create a question upon the question of what really crashed in Roswell?

Because that question generates money, and lots of it, from the towns festival, to media releases, books, movies interviews, the UFO speaking circuit, it is an endless cash cow that near everyone willing to make something up can take a bite of.

View PostAliveInDeath7, on 24 April 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

Why theorize? I'm sure "aliens" have malfunctions in their machinery.

Theory is not required, we have many documents we can use for direction.

Do you not feel a malfunction is a bit convenient? Crossing space, only to crash here, right in the tiny corner of the galaxy where the military just happens to be experimenting with a project that utilises materials that happen to match the crafts alleged construction visually exactly?

View PostAliveInDeath7, on 24 April 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

I guess I should retire myself from this site..

Why on earth would you do that. You are barely starting to ask questions.

Edited by psyche101, 24 April 2013 - 03:02 AM.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 04:00 AM

View PostAliveInDeath7, on 24 April 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

Why create a question upon the question of what really crashed in Roswell?
Easy.
To distract people from anything genuine.
Basically, the armed forces/government did it all. Either something geuinely human made crashed or was made to crash. They get "a reliable witness" to say "it weren't anything like I'd seen before!" and then debunk it in such a way as for it to look poorly handled. People will then pick at it like a scab and ignore any new scars (ie potentially genuine alien crashes).
You get the bonus of saying "look at Roswell, that was misidentification, just like now" for any future events.

It's not out of this world, after all it's what I'd do if I was asked to come up with a "plausible denial" routine.

Edited by Wearer of Hats, 24 April 2013 - 04:02 AM.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 08:01 AM

View PostScudbuster, on 24 April 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:



I checked that link - seems like its the usual "let me grab this piece of info and attach it to this tidbit and maybe it'll fly" type of investigation.

Scudbuster,

It wasnt an investigation. That ATS thread is so old! I posted that within 48 hours of contiplating the hypothesis. everything you see there is information that was known I just put it together in a new  way that makes sense.

I have investigated it in the years since and I can't falsify  that hypothesis I proposed all those years ago. It has been  discussed here on UM for years, it is just not all laid out in one place.  The hypothesis itself has been public  for years; but as psyche points out it is not going to help either camp if my hypothesis is true.



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Posted 24 April 2013 - 08:02 AM

View PostScudbuster, on 24 April 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:



I checked that link - seems like its the usual "let me grab this piece of info and attach it to this tidbit and maybe it'll fly" type of investigation.

Actually, YouTube has come along at a great time,  a terrific way to capture testimony before these people are long gone. I wish we had more. Imagine if video capture technology had of existed in say, 1880? Just think of the additional knowledge we would now have of the Cival War period -  quite tantalizing eh?


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:20 PM

To me it seems rather obvious that this is a military clean-up of something that they didn't want  found out at the time. LS's hypothesis is, from what I read, not bad at all. Also there are a multitude of things this could have been, a prototype plane, plane recuperated from Nazi research, like the Horten 229, new spy gear balloon test...etc.

Hell for all we know it was a Horten 229 that crashed there. God knows it was a shape that could have been confusing for people at the time and looked exactly like what Kenneth Arnold was describing as well. And yes I'm aware I'm probably not the only one that has had that idea.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 01:03 PM

View PostScudbuster, on 24 April 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:

I checked that link - seems like its the usual "let me grab this piece of info and attach it to this tidbit and maybe it'll fly" type of investigation.

I know what you mean....but psyche gets all excited about it.....lol

There wasn't much interest on ATS about it, except for a couple of posters encouraging Lost_Shaman.

It only made it to page 2.

But it was a decent bit of creative speculation.... :D


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Actually, YouTube has come along at a great time,  a terrific way to capture testimony before these people are long gone. I wish we had more. Imagine if video capture technology had of existed in say, 1880? Just think of the additional knowledge we would now have of the Cival War period -  quite tantalizing eh?

I agree..... :tu:


ps....thanks for the OP video



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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:28 PM

Just a reminder, I started this thread to discuss the video recollections of Lt. Jack Trowbridge...........and others like him for that matter.


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 11:44 PM

MAn I want a Horten 229 ! :tu:
Maybe It was four of these that  Happy Arnold saw?

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 07:25 PM

View PostScudbuster, on 24 April 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

Just a reminder, I started this thread to discuss the video recollections of Lt. Jack Trowbridge...........and others like him for that matter.
Fair comment.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 04:58 AM

Roswell is as muddy as it possibly can get.

The Roswell campfire legend is a cool fantasy, but as possible evidence of ET its DEAD.

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