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[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Stundie, on 03 October 2009 - 12:00 PM, said:

Err! How do you plant WMD?

I mean where abouts do you obtain WMD from? Creating WMD is not an easy process and it doesn't grow on trees.  

Then once they have gone and created it, how do they get it into Iraq without being noticed? Do you think they can carry it on a plane flying into Baghdad or do they bring it across one of the borders like Kuwait or Turkey.

Once it's planted, how do you make sure it is not traceable seeing as only a few countries would be capable of producing it.

The argument that it would be easy to plant WMD is laughable and can be easily dismissed when it is much, much easier for the perpetrators to lie about it with scary talk of AQ, underground bunkers and 45 minutes to launch threats.

Would seem easy enough. Since "WMDs" seems a fairly wide category, all they'd need to do would be to ship a few barrels of some sort of chemical (it wouldn't have to be nuclear) over from US stocks, surreptitiously among lots of other supplies, or obtain it from a friendly neighbour (looks at Israel, perhaps), through a number of third parties to add deniability, put them on a truck, take 'em out somewhere quiet and bury them in the sand. Risk of detection: negligible (who, after all, would be likely to detect you except your own forces?), difficulty: minimal, deniability: plenty. I mean, obviously, the barrels wouldn't have "MADE IN THE USA (or Israel)" or "PROPERTY OF U.S. GOVERNMENT" on them, and it wouldn't be able to prove that they'd have come from US stocks. Now, while I see Q and Turbo's points about it all having been a fait accompli by then, I still think that, if the Bush government had been as cunning and ruthless as the 9/11 plot would imply, it would have been worth adding that extra touch to add verisimilitude to it.

[Stundie]

747400, on 03 October 2009 - 05:03 PM, said:

Surreptitiously among lots of other supplies, or obtain it from a friendly neighbour (looks at Israel, perhaps), through a number of third parties to add deniability, put them on a truck, take 'em out somewhere quiet and bury them in the sand.

Iraq is pretty much land locked.

So even if they had a secret source like Israel say, to give them some WMD, then you have the logistical problem of getting it to Iraq.

You can't just drive it there, they would have to ship it there and also cross the border via another country, like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Syria (These countries were sympathetic to Iraq) and that would cause all kinds of problems like how to do you get WMD through one of these countries customs and then into Iraq across the border.

747400, on 03 October 2009 - 05:03 PM, said:

Risk of detection: negligible (who, after all, would be likely to detect you except your own forces?), difficulty: minimal, deniability: plenty.

Risk of detection is much higher than you would think considering you can't just drive it into Iraq. You could fly it but Saddam watched the skies over Iraq.

Let say that Israel supplies America for this covert op, then once they got them, they would have to be shipped somewhere before it enters Iraq. I can't think of where they could ship it covertly other than Kuwait

747400, on 03 October 2009 - 05:03 PM, said:

I mean, obviously, the barrels wouldn't have "MADE IN THE USA (or Israel)" or "PROPERTY OF U.S. GOVERNMENT" on them, and it wouldn't be able to prove that they'd have come from US stocks.

You see it doesn't need a sign, just from checking out chemical signatures, it might be possible to trace where the WMD was made or where certain materials came from. So if the UN actually discovered some WMD and Saddam was like "I ain't got a clue where they came from" they would do some investigating to try and find out.

747400, on 03 October 2009 - 05:03 PM, said:

Now, while I see Q and Turbo's points about it all having been a fait accompli by then, I still think that, if the Bush government had been as cunning and ruthless as the 9/11 plot would imply, it would have been worth adding that extra touch to add verisimilitude to it.

I think it was much easier to lie about it and do what Bush did, get Saddam to prove that he doesn't have WMD.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Stundie, on 04 October 2009 - 04:12 PM, said:

Iraq is pretty much land locked.

So even if they had a secret source like Israel say, to give them some WMD, then you have the logistical problem of getting it to Iraq.

You can't just drive it there, they would have to ship it there and also cross the border via another country, like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Syria (These countries were sympathetic to Iraq) and that would cause all kinds of problems like how to do you get WMD through one of these countries customs and then into Iraq across the border.
Risk of detection is much higher than you would think considering you can't just drive it into Iraq. You could fly it but Saddam watched the skies over Iraq.

Let say that Israel supplies America for this covert op, then once they got them, they would have to be shipped somewhere before it enters Iraq. I can't think of where they could ship it covertly other than Kuwait
You see it doesn't need a sign, just from checking out chemical signatures, it might be possible to trace where the WMD was made or where certain materials came from. So if the UN actually discovered some WMD and Saddam was like "I ain't got a clue where they came from" they would do some investigating to try and find out.

I think it was much easier to lie about it and do what Bush did, get Saddam to prove that he doesn't have WMD.

Ah no, what I was thinking was, finding it after the invasion. Then they could just fly in it on any handy US transport plane, and then US forces could "find" it, gain kudos for themselves, and rub the UN inspectors' noses in it. I mean, obviously, there'd be all sorts of holes in it for anyone who was remotely suspicious, but if Bush was as cunning as the pro-9/11 conspiracy theories suggest, he could have got around that, i'd have thought.

[Stundie]

747400, on 05 October 2009 - 07:31 AM, said:

Ah no, what I was thinking was, finding it after the invasion. Then they could just fly in it on any handy US transport plane, and then US forces could "find" it, gain kudos for themselves, and rub the UN inspectors' noses in it. I mean, obviously, there'd be all sorts of holes in it for anyone who was remotely suspicious, but if Bush was as cunning as the pro-9/11 conspiracy theories suggest, he could have got around that, i'd have thought.

Ahh, I see what you mean now.  

If they had planted some WMD, I still say they wouldn't be able to rub the inspectors noses in it seeing as they were being guided by American intelligence to the various sites. And I think your right, it would open all kinds of holes.

I wouldn't trust Bush to tie my shoelaces let alone plot a conspiracy.  

Edited by Stundie, 06 October 2009 - 11:07 AM.

[Q24]

Stundie, on 06 October 2009 - 11:05 AM, said:

I wouldn't trust Bush to tie my shoelaces let alone plot a conspiracy.  

What about Cheney, Rumsfeld or Wolfowitz?

[Stundie]

Q24, on 06 October 2009 - 12:05 PM, said:

What about Cheney, Rumsfeld or Wolfowitz?

Definitely, time as shown us that they are very experienced at that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_B
http://en.wikipedia....loween_Massacre

I still wouldn't trust them to tie my shoelaces though.  

[palmbebe86]

Claire So....Strange, on 18 May 2009 - 11:01 PM, said:

I think that the anti-christ (george w bush) set up 9/11 to profit from insurance policies with some tycoons he knew that owned the building.
And a few people he may have wanted to dissipate probably happened to be in the building at the time?.
Or maybe the Bush Administration wanted evidence in the building against their corruption distroyed?.
Or maybe Bush struck a deal with the militants and gained something from giving them clearance to hijack planes, maybe oil?.

My opinion is that the government is covering up (like they always do) 9/11. There is good evidence that the planes did not cause the building to crumble. There was a bomb in the bottom of the buildings and when they found materials from a bomb, they refused to talk about it. Plus, when you watch how the buildings fell, two planes in the top wouldnt have made it fall the way it did.

[Ryinrea]

I believe that George W bush was a good man, but the Republicans missed the chance to go TAKE DOWN Osma bin Lindined. When they  had the chance to do, so when their wear reports of active. They were to preordained by the Sex scandal of the president.