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Where did Jesus get those ideas, anyway?

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#16    C235

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:13 PM

Could it be that chengiz khan & hitler met too? :w00t:


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:05 PM

Did Gautama Buddha live before Jesus supposedly lived?  If so I'd imagine his philosophy could have been passed along. Is this possible? I'm claiming to know. I'm just asking.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:35 AM

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Did Gautama Buddha live before Jesus supposedly lived?

Yes, about 500 years or so. The actual life dates are unknown for either man, typical estimates place the Buddha roughly 400 to 600 years before the Christ.

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  If so I'd imagine his philosophy could have been passed along. Is this possible? I'm claiming to know. I'm just asking.

Yes. Gautama founded monasteries, and the monasteries dispatched missionaries. Some of them could have gone west; the Silk Road was available to them. If not Buddhist missionaries, then Westerners who went east to trade, and brought back stories of India.

However, there is a simpler explanation. The Buddha's contemporary, Heraclitus, had many of the same ideas as Gautama, except that Heraclitus didn't make a religion of it. He did, however, donate his book to a library. Socrates read the book, and taught it to Plato. Plato taught it to Aristotle, and Aristotle taught it to Alexander the Great. Alexander, his generals and their successors imposed Greek culture far and wide, including upon the Jewish homeland.

Moreover, Heraclitus inspired the Stoics, who were everywhere in the post-Alexander Hellenistic world. Philo of Alexandria saw the Stoic-Jewish connection. Jesus might have, too. Justin Martyr, a not quite proto-orthodox early Chrisitan writer called Heraclitus a Christian (as someone who lived "reasonably" before Jesus, First Apology, chapter 46).

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It's just not that difficult for a Hellenistic figure's ideas to resemble the Buddha's.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:45 AM

View PostArmchair Educated, on 28 November 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

face palms self repeatetly untill what ive read makes sense

I bet you're still facepalming yourself. I would be.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:40 PM

Sam Harris said it well when comparing Jesus and Mohamed. Jesus was just a hippy really. I agree with that, he has all the right traits of one "peace and love man...woah"
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It's fairly evident he looked around at the hellhole the Middle East was (is!) and thought "This has to change."

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:20 PM

I think that Jesus was influenced by Socrates.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:32 AM

Maybe Jesus got his idea in a book..hehe



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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:44 PM

View PostGIDEON MAGE, on 28 November 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Good morning, I want to unabashedly promote my articles on Examiner.com.  My most recent one is:  http://www.examiner....sus-of-nazareth
Far from wanting to bash Jesus of Nazareth, I'd like to point out that the source of some of his adorable little comments seems to be Lao Tze, a Chinese Philosopher that lived 500 years earlier.  There are more than a few examples of this.  If anyone is even remootely interested in this topic, I can quote a few more.  One of the Ideas purported in the Tao Te Ching is the Idea that, if you completely merge with the Tao, you can become Immortal.  Lao Tzehimself is honored by some Sects of Taoism as an Immortal.  There are even Legends that he taught Siddharta Gautama, the Buddha.  Was he still around in the firdt century C.E.?  Perhaps he met with Jesus of Nazareth and taught him?  It would explain so much.  After all, Jesus of Nazareth did teach that we should follow the Tao ("The Way").  Discuss among yourselves.
What exactly are you referring to of Christ teachings  in  making these claims ? If Christ is who the bible identifies him as being several hundreds years prior to his birth, the one that Isaiha prophesied of, the one who would give his life for us all , and by doing so  his light  will illuminate this world , just like he said it would, who than is Christ? I'm not suggesting we are Christ .


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:47 PM

Perhaps it's just wisdom decernable by anyone who thinks/meditates. If its wise, might many wise men come to similar conclusions?

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:32 PM

View PostSeeker79, on 13 December 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

Perhaps it's just wisdom decernable by anyone who thinks/meditates. If its wise, might many wise men come to similar conclusions?

True. But he also knew Greek and we nothing about his early life if dont consider sources out of Bible. So he wasnt geographicly far from center of philosophy.
Also Socrates influence is seen in Jesus words. So we might call Jesus post-Socrates philosopher in sense you want to describe his insights?

Edited by the L, 13 December 2012 - 09:33 PM.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:53 PM

View Postthe L, on 13 December 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

True. But he also knew Greek and we nothing about his early life if dont consider sources out of Bible. So he wasnt geographicly far from center of philosophy.
Also Socrates influence is seen in Jesus words. So we might call Jesus post-Socrates philosopher in sense you want to describe his insights?
What do mean about his early life? He stayed with the  essene's.  John the baptist was an essene , Jesus stayed with them during a certain course of his life , I think people forget about that .


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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:55 PM

View Postthe L, on 13 December 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

True. But he also knew Greek and we nothing about his early life if dont consider sources out of Bible. So he wasnt geographicly far from center of philosophy.
Also Socrates influence is seen in Jesus words. So we might call Jesus post-Socrates philosopher in sense you want to describe his insights?
What stories did he use of Socrates?


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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:01 PM

View PostReann, on 18 December 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

What do mean about his early life? He stayed with the  essene's.  John the baptist was an essene , Jesus stayed with them during a certain course of his life , I think people forget about that .

Who say that he stayed with Essenes?


View PostReann, on 18 December 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

What stories did he use of Socrates?

Well I will take it for granted that you know what calibar of philosopher was Socrates. I will just say that we divide philosophers on pre-Socrates and post-Socrates.
His influence on human kind is huge. So why wouldnt he influenced Jesus? He knew Greek.  Even if he doesnt Socrates ideas were spreading like arrow trough air.
Socrates claimed that by hurting others we hurt ourselves. That retaliation is wrong. Now Socrates was in war he didnt say nothing about self defence but retaliation.
In a sense he introduced turn another cheek politic.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:37 PM

View Postthe L, on 18 December 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

Who say that he stayed with Essenes?




Well I will take it for granted that you know what calibar of philosopher was Socrates. I will just say that we divide philosophers on pre-Socrates and post-Socrates.
His influence on human kind is huge. So why wouldnt he influenced Jesus? He knew Greek.  Even if he doesnt Socrates ideas were spreading like arrow trough air.
Socrates claimed that by hurting others we hurt ourselves. That retaliation is wrong. Now Socrates was in war he didnt say nothing about self defence but retaliation.
In a sense he introduced turn another cheek politic.
Don't misunderstand me, I think Socrates was great and all, i just know that Christ really didn't need to be influenced by any one man or woman , his wisdom and miracles was so from the nature and will of our Father.
As for the essense , his cousin was one and Jesus spent years with them, i think it was the missing years that people talk of him being in Inidia which he was not. He was with the essene's that followed under John the baptist .

edit: why is there no spell check here on this forum?

Edited by Reann, 21 December 2012 - 02:38 PM.


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Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:44 PM

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