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#226    danielost

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 11:52 PM

View Postregeneratia, on 29 June 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:



OUr government is getting way, way out of hand. Heinlein said that if a government requires more than one building, it is way too big.

And, they are building one building to house just one computer.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 12:00 AM

View PostDark_Grey, on 06 June 2013 - 04:48 AM, said:

This is getting to be surreal...

http://www.washingto...lls-in-the-u-s/

http://www.usatoday....ecords/2394751/

http://www.wired.com...n-call-records/

http://www.guardian....zon-court-order

"Under the terms of the order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data and the time and duration of all calls."

"The National Security Agency (NSA) has been collecting telephone records of millions of Verizon customers – right down to local call data – under a top-secret court order issued in April."

"Verizon is required to turn over information on all domestic and international calls on an "ongoing, daily basis," even if customers are not suspected of a crime"




Now, allegedly this order was granted for 3 months (May to July 19) and the content of the calls wasn't/isn't being recorded, but I would love to know what super-secret-mission they have going on that requires the phone records of every single Verizon customer in all of the United States!

Your move, America :unsure2:

With that kind of data a super computer could calculated all sorts of things from stock market predictions to consumer confidence to who is going to win an election. It would be an extremely powerful tool. A corporation would pay millions to see if their adds are mentioned after they are aired, or how many times people mention something negative about them. Id love to have access to data like that. It would make somebody very rich.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 12:31 AM

Bush collected phone calls going or coming from over seas.  Obama and the rest of the democrats screamed fowl.  Obama is collecting every phone call not a peep out of the democrats.  Other than the republicans are being bigots for brining it up.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 02:19 AM

View PostThe world needs you, on 29 June 2013 - 10:46 PM, said:

Isn't he a science fiction author?

And philosopher. You cannnot dimiss the philosophies he presents.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 03:00 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 21 June 2013 - 07:55 PM, said:

Being adjudicated by whom, Frank?
In the Federal Courts there are several cases.
It is disheartening, but somehow not surprising, to have a Vietnamese come down on the side of the government, instead of down on the side of the individual and the rule of law.
Some American pay too much attention to their own propaganda.  Vietnamese have good laws and individuals do fine.  This is not a tyranny like N. Korea.
Authoritarianism and statism thrive in Vietnam, it appears.For sure, more propaganda.  I can go anywhere in the world that will give me a visa, send my kids to any school where they are qualified, buy any medicine I need with only a pharmacist's nod, watch any film or read any book I want, go to any church I want, freely obtain medical procedures restricted or banned in the states, and I have a far greater choice of foods available in markets than in the States where only profit matters in what is made available.



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Posted 30 June 2013 - 05:34 AM

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..... If we are not careful, the technology we know and love could be used against us, even subtly. In the year 1984, Apple thought IBM was the bringer of "Big Brother." In reality, the technology of today better resembles George Orwell's dystopian vision than a 1980s era PC.
Every day we are in the process of becoming a more connected society. With social networks, cloud computing and even more specific, less-thought-about tech such as Internet-connected home surveillance systems, we may find ourselves in a delicate balance of trust and paranoia.


Posted Image1. The Telescreen Evolved
In 1984's Future: The resemblance between the flat panels of today and the telescreens of Orwell's story are obvious. The telescreens in 1984 were bi-directional, meaning they sent and received images, pushing propaganda while acting as a security camera in every living room. They also couldn't be shut off, so the telescreen might bear a closer resemblance to a home PC, which many people always leave on.
In Today's Reality: Today's televisions aren't actively spying on us (at least, we don't think so), but every laptop and most computer monitors have built-in webcams, and future 3D televisions may even keep track of where your eyes are looking to deliver the best picture possible. That data would also be useful to advertisers, who would then be able to calculate what areas of the screen are more valuable than others, and what ads were most engaging. There's also Microsoft's Kinect, which could go so far as to read your body language to gauge how you're feeling.

2. Big Brother Is Still Watching You

In 1984's Future: From every square and alley, the signs and propaganda for Big Brother bombard you in much the same way advertising does today. Two-way telescreens exist in every room. They're at work, at home and on the streets.
In Today's Reality: We live in a world that is almost completely under surveillance of one kind or another. Whether we speak about the CCTV system on every corner in the U.K., or the cameras in the Target parking lot, we have accepted these cameras for our protection. Remember that the protection comes at the interpretation of whoever is viewing these images. Ideally, trading privacy for security doesn't come at the cost of freedom.
Of course, having a human interpret and look through all of this video data would be a time consuming at best and impossible at worst. If you were trying to find a specific person, or track and record movements for review, it would take some doing. That's where some advanced facial recognition software comes in, and it could be used to keep a database of an individual's movements without a manual effort.
Consider: Where are you not under some type of surveillance? You're out of sight in some rooms of your home, right? Do you have your cellphone on your hip? If so, then someone knows where you are. Can they hear you? No? Are you sure? That's okay. You already tweeted and updated your Facebook status as to where you are. It's easy to dismiss the idea that someone is watching, but maybe they are.
Remember, our 2012 "Big Brother" doesn't have to be the government. It can just as often be corporations.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 06:41 AM

I think the fears are hugely overblown and will only serve to slow the adoption of these technologies in ways that could greatly improve our lives.  Frankly I would appreciate it if some automatic signal went out when I'm having a heart attack alone in my sleep.


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:07 AM

View PostThe world needs you, on 29 June 2013 - 10:46 PM, said:

Isn't he a science fiction author?
who were often some of the wisest people and the greatest prophets - Wells, Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, Ray Bradbury, Douglas Adams...

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 12:39 PM

View Postdanielost, on 30 June 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

Bush collected phone calls going or coming from over seas.  Obama and the rest of the democrats screamed fowl.  Obama is collecting every phone call not a peep out of the democrats.  Other than the republicans are being bigots for brining it up.

And when the democrats Kucinich and Wexler and others attempted to impeach Bush for those crimes (kept hidden by that Liberal Rag the New Yawk Times for a year), the Democrat Pelosi abetted those crimes by refusing to let the impeachment proceed.

That clearly demonstrates the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the US political system.


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 01:02 PM

She was smarter than I thought.


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 03:55 PM

Sadly, this will spread, if not already, to all the other phone carriers.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 04:14 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 30 June 2013 - 06:41 AM, said:

I think the fears are hugely overblown and will only serve to slow the adoption of these technologies in ways that could greatly improve our lives.  Frankly I would appreciate it if some automatic signal went out when I'm having a heart attack alone in my sleep.

This is not overblown.  They have collected 10+billion phone calls.  Obasma is using drones to spy on the citazens of the usa.  This goes against the bill of rights.  Which he is supposed to know.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 04:32 PM

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Some devices even features additional interactive organic user interface / natural user interface technologies for navigation controls and other human interaction with your Smart TV, with such as second screen companion devices,[27][28] spatial gestures input like with Xbox Kinect,[29][30][31] and even for speech recognition for natural language user interface.[32]

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It is subtle now .. when I saw the demo of the thing at the malls ... all I could think of is 'what if there is someone on the other side of the internet link up ?'
Now its just recognising gestures as an 'interface' which doesn't take a very major overhaul to upgrade to 'observation enabled capability' ... in fact the whole thing is already there ... it just depends on when they are going to put it all together and implement it.



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Smart TV also provide access to user-generated content (either stored on an external hard drive or in cloud storage) and to interactive services and Internet applications, such as YouTube.[24]

So far it is already two way ... all it needs is a bypass to some interested party some where along the connection.
Or if its all in the 'cloud' it is ready for later scrutiny to anyone with access ....



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According to a report from the researcher NPD In-Stat, only about 12 million U.S. households have their Web-capable TVs connected to the Internet, although In-Stat estimates about 25 million U.S. TV households own a set with the built-in network capability. Also, In-Stat predicts that 100 million homes in North America and western Europe will own television sets that blend traditional programs with Internet content by 2016.[41]

All aboard !!! ... as soon as all other tvs are made redundant ... there is nowhere to run or hide ... :lol:

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 04:54 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 30 June 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:


who were often some of the wisest people and the greatest prophets - Wells, Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, Ray Bradbury, Douglas Adams...

While I love speculative fiction that does not mean these authors or their ideas should guide our political process. Whenever someone describes the situation as Orwellian it is the same as an anime fan (another genre I love) trying to put out our very realistic world in anime terms.

Being a space dork or otaku is adoring but being able to switch back into the real world and being taken serious also counts. Knowing when to indulge and when to be realistic counts.


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 05:36 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 30 June 2013 - 03:00 AM, said:


And have the police walk into your home when ever they want.  A gilded cage is still a cage.

I am a mormon.  If I don't use mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
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