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[MiskatonicGrad]

Dredimus, on 13 December 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

I find it completely hilarious that you try to answer questions you ask for me... because you know little to nothing about me which only goes to prove that you ignore 80% of what I post here... further proving my point that you dont have your own point of view, you just go with what ever the libs do. Now, on to answering (correcting) the answers you gave for me...

I am not independantly wealthy... due to rules that I may violate I will not give you an exact ammount but I will tell you that I make between 40 and 50k a year. So no... not wealthy by any stretch...

On to the next... in my marriage I had 3 children... So... theres goes that theory... and to compound on that... at the age of 9 my daughter had a 4 wheeler accident that nearly severed one of her legs, it took 11 surgeries and over 5 weeks in the hospital PLUS physical therapy to get her to where she is now able to walk today. (Shout Out To University of Alabama - Birmingham Hospital for being completely frikkin AMAZING).

Lets see... In 2006 I had E-Coli... that was 5 days in the hospital... oh, when I was discharged from the service in 2005 it was due to a medical condition... I had to recieve treatment from a specialist once I was out... that came out of my pocket... So there you have it... I am a white male, in my early to mid 30's... Ive had my share of issues... I live comfortably right now... I pay my own bills... I pay my own way... I own 2 vehicles... a modest home... I dont live above my means, I manage my money and I am Happy.... Dont assume you know something when you literally have no idea. Paying your bills is possible when you dont live above your means, thats a lesson this government should take in... I do have debt, as anyone does if they ever want to live in this world.. without a credit rating you literally cant make a major purchase in this country unless you have cash money. That being said, my debt is under control... I dont have to borrow money from a communist country across the ocean to survive. I dont sweat my payments at any point in time... ive planned for the future and ive kept my past in check...



Edit to say: Please refrain from trying to dip yourself into my personal life again. If you cant verify something as factual, stop spewing it. Over the last year it has gotten more and more annoying to hear you piddle your pooh over and over again while you wear your blinders and whine about everything

Dredimus,

After reading this post you my friend have become a hero to me thank you for you service and thank you for bucking against the system and being a responsible person. to often people like you are overlooked because you go about your lives doing the right thing and not fussing about how you are owed something. kudos to you and your family and GOD bless!.


Don't let ninja ruffle your feathers to much look at his avatar and when you do don't think it a bad-ass ninja think it a little child with the poochy-lip not getting his way. awww poor ninja.

Edited by MiskatonicGrad, 14 December 2012 - 01:30 AM.

[ninjadude]

-Mr_Fess-, on 13 December 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

Wouldn't you rather be able to decide what is and what isn't valuable to you? Even if it's your health?

You don't live in a vacuum. Society has been paying for your shortsightedness (or lack of funds)

[ninjadude]

Dredimus, on 14 December 2012 - 12:44 AM, said:

There you go assuming again.... my daughters accident... after all surgeries and therapy Was around 400k. Minus 35k because the owner of the 4wheeler and property wanted to help. It took a chunk of my savings to pay down... it also meant a bit over overtime and a small loan to take care of..... and when I had to see a specialist I Was in Boise Idaho. St .Joseph's. I'm sorry that you... like our government... lack the knack for being responsible for yourself and your money.

Sorry but VERY few Americans have 375,000.00 sitting around to pay for medical bills.

[ninjadude]

Dredimus, on 14 December 2012 - 01:05 AM, said:

So, to sum it up... No, we dont pay other peoples medical bills when they file for bankruptcy... its just another one of your delusions.

wow your delusions grow by leaps and bounds. And yes I have intimate knowledge of this process.

[Dredimus]

ninjadude, on 14 December 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

wow your delusions grow by leaps and bounds. And yes I have intimate knowledge of this process.

Still no substance to back up your claims... just regurgitation of the same bs as usual.. I just brokedown How it works and you reply with a petty one liner semi personal attack... Good job.

ninjadude, on 14 December 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

Sorry but VERY few Americans have 375,000.00 sitting around to pay for medical bills.

This further proves you just read What fits for you and skip the rest.

[MiskatonicGrad]

ninjadude, on 14 December 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

wow your delusions grow by leaps and bounds. And yes I have intimate knowledge of this process.

So what your saying is you have a beef with paying someones bills if the file bankruptcy but you will stand in line to pay the bills of someone who is to freaking lazy to work? wow that helps understand you.

[F3SS]

Dredimus, on 14 December 2012 - 01:10 AM, said:

Sir Fess, I must agree with this statement completely, at its roots anyway... What I do in my life, what I purchase and dont purchase... where I go and dont go... should be my decision. I dont need the government telling me exactly how to spend my money or what to spend it on. I do believe that this mandatory insurance issue could turn into something else entirely... now that the gov knows they have the go ahead what is to stop them from forcing us to purchase anything? What if the gov deems it necessary that every home have a state of the art filtration system because it cuts down on air polutants by .30% but the only hitch is that system cost 85k and it has to come out of YOUR pockets... unless you are on government assistance of course, then it has to come out of everyone elses pockets.... Where do we draw the line?

We don't. Government now draws that line for us.
You make great posts btw. Always on task and always proving and making excellent points.

ninjadude, on 14 December 2012 - 01:23 AM, said:

You don't live in a vacuum. Society has been paying for your shortsightedness (or lack of funds)

Are we living in Minority Report now? You don't know for certain about any future shortsightedness. I've been to the doctors 2 times in my adult life and one of them was actual hospitalization. One for street throat, one for a broken back. I paid all the bills. If I had been buying insurance since I was 18 I would've paid far more in premiums than the total of all my hospital bills combined. I'll be insured soon anyways. My personal limit was to wait till I'm 35 but that jerk you elected might make it sooner. I haven't decided yet.

MiskatonicGrad, on 14 December 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

So what your saying is you have a beef with paying someones bills if the file bankruptcy but you will stand in line to pay the bills of someone who is to freaking lazy to work? wow that helps understand you.

thats pretty much what I was thinking.

Edited by -Mr_Fess-, 14 December 2012 - 02:30 AM.

[Startraveler]

Dredimus, on 11 December 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

All that aside.... MY personal issue with obamacare is that its the government forcing me to buy a product and if I dont buy the product I get punished with taxes or "penalties". It is not the governments place to force me into anything especially where buying a product is concerned. I happen to pay for my own medical expenses as they happen, I like my current setup and in the last 13 years, I havent had an issue with it at all.

Out of curiosity, how is it you come to say that? By your own admission, your average annual medical expenses over the past decade have been more than your current annual salary. That's exactly what insurance is for: to prevent a handful of medical events from entirely erasing a decade or more of your working life.

I understand opposing the mandate on a philosophical level, even if it has a very strong economic rationale in its favor. I even understand opposing on a practical level for someone who says they never incur medical expenses so they prefer to be uninsured.

But I don't understand a practical argument that's based on the circumstances you've described.

[F3SS]

Hey startraveller, if you don't mind me asking, I'd like to know what you do. Actually what I'm asking is how you've come to know and understand obamacare so well? I've heard you simply read it. You seem to have absorbed it. So you're either incredibly smart, are in the insurance industry or you are Barack Obama. I don't mean to be rude but you do seem to be the defacto guy on the matter. Just curious, but if you don't care to answer, that's cool.

[Startraveler]

I do research in the nonprofit sector. Some of it overlaps with this stuff.

But in the end it comes down to reading it and many of the truly excellent resources that exist out there about it. And even many of the truly awful resources that exist out there about it.

[AsteroidX]

Kudos to the House of Representatives to sticking to the process and pushing the appropriate legislation through. They have no other option but to send forth what they are. One of the better responses by our government Ive seen in quite awhile.

[Yamato]

Merc14, on 09 December 2012 - 03:53 AM, said:

I watched CNN and NBC for years because there was nothing else.  We called CNN the Clinton News Network because it adamantly refused to question the man's performance and acts.  Massive deceit which is teh reason they are fading away.

And ya found Fox News Channel where nobody would question President George W. Bush's performance and acts.  

Problem not solved, only doubled.

Edited by Yamato, 20 December 2012 - 09:02 AM.

[AsteroidX]

I only watch news if I want to know what there up. If i had my choice wed communicate better through the internet. I get all my updates faster. Use less electric. I can check what I want when I want. I find Im most happy with the news turned off.

Theres terrible things that happen every day I dont wanna be a part of. But now Im forced to and media is the one blaring down my throat. (ill stay on topic)

[Dredimus]

Startraveler, on 20 December 2012 - 01:05 AM, said:

Out of curiosity, how is it you come to say that? By your own admission, your average annual medical expenses over the past decade have been more than your current annual salary. That's exactly what insurance is for: to prevent a handful of medical events from entirely erasing a decade or more of your working life.

I understand opposing the mandate on a philosophical level, even if it has a very strong economic rationale in its favor. I even understand opposing on a practical level for someone who says they never incur medical expenses so they prefer to be uninsured.

But I don't understand a practical argument that's based on the circumstances you've described.

   I honestly dont have a problem with insurance in itself... I have a problem with being forced to purchase it and being penalized if I dont. It is not the governments place to make me buy anything. Period.

[ninjadude]

Dredimus, on 20 December 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

   I honestly dont have a problem with insurance in itself... I have a problem with being forced to purchase it and being penalized if I dont. It is not the governments place to make me buy anything. Period.

and yet you must purchase car insurance. you must have FICA deducted from your paycheck.