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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:41 AM

Thank you for your response. Bless you. :)

I can't get past how its okay to pretend to eat his flesh yet he created us with emotions and needs that are instinctive for us to procreate.
Without the fruit none of us would have been born! So to speak.  Modesty is a sin I believe, yet god made them feel shame, he taught them this after the fact!  What would have happened  if Adam and Eve had of done what he asked?


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:42 AM

View PostCopen, on 04 December 2012 - 03:01 AM, said:

Now, be nice. :)
Genesis 1: 29 "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of the tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
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i was being nice.
this is one quote. you said god said something different to the gentiles than he did to adam.
i was hoping you would clarify what your argument is, because you are making claims without really explaining yourself.
the preachiness of your posts doesn't help those of us who don't go in for all that fluff, so if you could curb that i would appreciate it.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:34 PM

View PostCopen, on 04 December 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

If you believe God told Adam and Eva that every tree with fruit with a seed was given to them for meat (food); and later told Adam, -- I changed my mind. There is one tree with the knowledge of good and evil that you must not eat.
Let's look at the verse just to make sure we don't misquote:  Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;"  Gen 1:29 (NASB)

There is something very interesting to note here.  Which kind of tree were they given to eat?  "and every tree which has fruit yielding seed."  So, not every tree was given to them to eat.  Given that there was only one tree of the knowledge of good and evil, it may be that it's fruit did not bear seeds, and was therefore, not included in the statement.

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For the self same day you eat it you will die. Not 900 years from now; but that exact same day.
A few years ago a man was assassinated with a lethal dose of radiation.  The man did not completely die until several days after he was injected with the radiation.  But there was nothing which could be done for him.  He was in effect killed at the moment of injection he just died over a period of several days.  The same is true for Adam, the moment he disobeyed and ate from the fruit, he began to die, and there was no remedy.

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Then that makes for very unstable foundation. Maybe God changed His mind about something else He previously blessed us to have. But the Bible says God is the same, yesterday, today and forever.  

The knowledge of God's laws of good and evil has always come from God through the Jews. Cain and Abel were sacrificing the burnt offering right away.
Actually, Cain was not doing it the right way, since God was not pleased.  

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God told Adam in the sweat of they face shalt thou eat bread. Bread has a double meaning. It means the inspired word.
Yes, "bread" can have a double meaning, as can "day," "hour," "lamb," "sheep" etc.  but just because a word can have a double meaning does not mean it has that double meaning in any or every verse in Scripture.  Can you explain why you believe it does in that specific passage?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:40 PM

View PostIamsSon, on 04 December 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

Let's look at the verse just to make sure we don't misquote:  Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;"  Gen 1:29 (NASB)

There is something very interesting to note here.  Which kind of tree were they given to eat?  "and every tree which has fruit yielding seed."  So, not every tree was given to them to eat.  Given that there was only one tree of the knowledge of good and evil, it may be that it's fruit did not bear seeds, and was therefore, not included in the statement.

A few years ago a man was assassinated with a lethal dose of radiation.  The man did not completely die until several days after he was injected with the radiation.  But there was nothing which could be done for him.  He was in effect killed at the moment of injection he just died over a period of several days.  The same is true for Adam, the moment he disobeyed and ate from the fruit, he began to die, and there was no remedy.

Actually, Cain was not doing it the right way, since God was not pleased.  

Yes, "bread" can have a double meaning, as can "day," "hour," "lamb," "sheep" etc.  but just because a word can have a double meaning does not mean it has that double meaning in any or every verse in Scripture.  Can you explain why you believe it does in that specific passage?
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:36 AM

View PostIamsSon, on 04 December 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

Let's look at the verse just to make sure we don't misquote:  Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;"  Gen 1:29 (NASB)

There is something very interesting to note here.  Which kind of tree were they given to eat?  "and every tree which has fruit yielding seed."  So, not every tree was given to them to eat.  Given that there was only one tree of the knowledge of good and evil, it may be that it's fruit did not bear seeds, and was therefore, not included in the statement.

If it does not have seed inside it, it is not fruit. This fruit was the outgrowth product of a tree. God told male and female, "Be fruitful and multiply." If the seed is on the outside it is grain.

A few years ago a man was assassinated with a lethal dose of radiation.  The man did not completely die until several days after he was injected with the radiation.  But there was nothing which could be done for him.  He was in effect killed at the moment of injection he just died over a period of several days.  The same is true for Adam, the moment he disobeyed and ate from the fruit, he began to die, and there was no remedy.

They did not bury him before he died, did they??? I don't care how many days people live, they die one day. Adam and Eva died to sin. Their souls died to sin. It happened the same day they ate the fruit. Their spirits did not die. God never stopped talking to them. But about 900 years later ONE DAY Adam's body also died. God did not say Adam would begin to die. He said the same day he ate the fruit he would die.

Actually, Cain was not doing it the right way, since God was not pleased.

I don't believe I said Cain was doing it right. I said he was sacrificing the burnt offering along with Abel, which was the only offering ever required by God until He had Moses institute 4 more sacrifices.

Yes, "bread" can have a double meaning, as can "day," "hour," "lamb," "sheep" etc.  but just because a word can have a double meaning does not mean it has that double meaning in any or every verse in Scripture.  Can you explain why you believe it does in that specific passage?

Because the entire Bible is more than a narrative. "For the invisible things of Him from the (time of-my insertion) the creation of the world are clearly seen...by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead." You can not see if God is one or one hundred in the Godhead by looking at created nature. You can see His attributes but you can't see the Godhead in nature. So you have to go back to the time when He created male and female in His image. You can see He is Triune with a soul (mind), spirit (heart) and body (flesh)-- united but separate -- each with a separate function but inseparable. Thus all through the Bible the invisible spiritual things are seen by the physical things made.

I'm sorry to make so much of my type in bold; but I don't know how to format it the way you did, so I thought I would make my reply in bold so it wouldn't get lost in your text.

The first six days God spoke everything into being. Adam He "formed" (not spoke but molded) with His hand like a potter out of the dust of the ground. He formed a garden (Israel) and placed Adam in it. He named the land Havilah which means circular, to dance, to writhe in pain, be wounded, etc. It also has an affectionate connotation. That's a perfect description of Israel. The four rivers that border it are the same ones today. There was also bdellium and onyx stone there. That's white and black stones. The same color stones that were in the high priests vest which he reached in to pull out a stone to tell him yes or no --- pro or con. All our righteous instructions come out of Israel through the Jews. There is much spiritual GOLD there. And maybe real gold too, since the invisible things are made clear by the physical things He made.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:15 PM

Was the man and woman made perfect from their beginning before they ate the knowledge fruit?

How did the man and the woman know to fear something called "die" ?

"don't touch it lest you DIE!" sounds like fear to me...

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 11:03 PM

View PostCopen, on 05 December 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:


If it does not have seed inside it, it is not fruit. This fruit was the outgrowth product of a tree. God told male and female, "Be fruitful and multiply." If the seed is on the outside it is grain.
If the Bible was a scientific treatise you might have a point.  But given that it seems to cover everything from flying insects to bats (flying mammals) to birds (aves) with the word "bird" it is obvious that the language of Genesis 1 and 2 is not intended to be painstakingly accurate, it is fairly general, more like we use language in every day conversations; so the "fruit" of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil might not fit the strict scientific definition of fruit, but it would meet the more loosely held definition of something edible that grows on a tree.  Any way you cut it, there just is not enough information there to support the conclusion you are trying to make.


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A few years ago a man was assassinated with a lethal dose of radiation.  The man did not completely die until several days after he was injected with the radiation.  But there was nothing which could be done for him.  He was in effect killed at the moment of injection he just died over a period of several days.  The same is true for Adam, the moment he disobeyed and ate from the fruit, he began to die, and there was no remedy.


They did not bury him before he died, did they??? I don't care how many days people live, they die one day. Adam and Eva died to sin. Their souls died to sin. It happened the same day they ate the fruit. Their spirits did not die. God never stopped talking to them. But about 900 years later ONE DAY Adam's body also died. God did not say Adam would begin to die. He said the same day he ate the fruit he would die.
I think here you and I are much closer than it seems.  I believe that Adam "died" at the moment he sinned because his sin severed a spiritual link to God, and as soon as that link was lost Adam was no longer connected to the source of eternal life and so was in effect, dead.


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Actually, Cain was not doing it the right way, since God was not pleased.


I don't believe I said Cain was doing it right. I said he was sacrificing the burnt offering along with Abel, which was the only offering ever required by God until He had Moses institute 4 more sacrifices.
I apologize.  For some reason I misread what you wrote.

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Yes, "bread" can have a double meaning, as can "day," "hour," "lamb," "sheep" etc.  but just because a word can have a double meaning does not mean it has that double meaning in any or every verse in Scripture.  Can you explain why you believe it does in that specific passage?

Because the entire Bible is more than a narrative. "For the invisible things of Him from the (time of-my insertion) the creation of the world are clearly seen...by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead." You can not see if God is one or one hundred in the Godhead by looking at created nature. You can see His attributes but you can't see the Godhead in nature. So you have to go back to the time when He created male and female in His image. You can see He is Triune with a soul (mind), spirit (heart) and body (flesh)-- united but separate -- each with a separate function but inseparable. Thus all through the Bible the invisible spiritual things are seen by the physical things made.

I'm sorry to make so much of my type in bold; but I don't know how to format it the way you did, so I thought I would make my reply in bold so it wouldn't get lost in your text.

The first six days God spoke everything into being. Adam He "formed" (not spoke but molded) with His hand like a potter out of the dust of the ground. He formed a garden (Israel) and placed Adam in it. He named the land Havilah which means circular, to dance, to writhe in pain, be wounded, etc. It also has an affectionate connotation. That's a perfect description of Israel. The four rivers that border it are the same ones today. There was also bdellium and onyx stone there. That's white and black stones. The same color stones that were in the high priests vest which he reached in to pull out a stone to tell him yes or no --- pro or con. All our righteous instructions come out of Israel through the Jews. There is much spiritual GOLD there. And maybe real gold too, since the invisible things are made clear by the physical things He made.
God bless us all is my prayer
I'm not sure this answers my question.  Yes, many words have double meanings, or even simply more than one meaning, for example, "minute."  The word "minute" has a specific meaning: 60 seconds.  However, it also has several other less concrete meanings, like in the phrase, "in a minute."  When someone tells you they are going to do something "in a minute," you rarely expect they mean exactly 60 seconds.  Usually it means they will do it as soon as they are finished with what they are currently doing, which could actually be 15 seconds, or even 10 minutes.  But just because a word has multiple meanings it does not mean those multiple meanings are all applicable or applied every time the word is used.  If I tell you, the bus is scheduled to leave in five minutes, then the only definition of the word "minute" that is correctly applicable is 60 seconds, not some vague, but fairly short measure of time.  So, I am not sure what you base your assertion that the word "bread" in Genesis 3:19 has the additional meaning of "the word of God."  Can you explain how you arrived at that conclusion, please.

"But then with me that horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?" - Charles Darwin, in a letter to William Graham on July 3, 1881

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 11:22 PM

View PostCiss, on 05 December 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Was the man and woman made perfect from their beginning before they ate the knowledge fruit?
They were sinless and were created perfect for God's purpose.  See, I believe perfection requires purpose; and without knowing the purpose of something we cannot know if it is perfect or not.

If I create a ball and make it absolutely spherical, with a surface that is absolutely smooth and flawless, and I make it so that it fits my hand in such a way that I can hold it with no discomfort, would you say this was a perfect ball?  But what if I told you I intended to play regulation baseball with this ball?  Would you still consider this ball to be perfect?  Not for playing regulation baseball.  Regulation baseballs are not perfect, flawless spheres, since they are stitched and made of leather.  Regulation baseballs must meet specific size, composition, and weight requirements not met by my ball.  Are regulation baseballs perfect balls?  They are for playing regulation baseball.

So, were Adam and Eve perfect?  Yes, they were, for fulfilling God's purpose.

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How did the man and the woman know to fear something called "die" ?
How did they know what God was saying?  How did they know how to name the animals?  How did they know what names were?  How did they know they were communicating with each other and/or with God?

Obviously, Adam and Eve were intelligent people.  I believe they may have known more about astronomy, physics, biology, chemistry, etc. than we know today because they talked with the being who actually created all of that.  So, Adam and Eve would have known what "die" meant.  They may not have ever experienced it (or maybe they did.  They may have seen animals die.), but they would have understood the concept.


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"don't touch it lest you DIE!" sounds like fear to me...

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Great subject Copen! :yes:
So, if I tell my daughter not to drive fast in rainy weather because she may die I don't love her?  Or my love is not perfect?

God was warning Adam and Eve of the consequences of their actions BECAUSE He loved them.  Just as a parent will warn their child that touching a hot stove will hurt out of love and concern for the child's well-being, not out of a desire to create an unnecessary fear of stoves in the child.

"But then with me that horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?" - Charles Darwin, in a letter to William Graham on July 3, 1881

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:09 AM

View PostIamsSon, on 05 December 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

If the Bible was a scientific treatise you might have a point. But given that it seems to cover everything from flying insects to bats (flying mammals) to birds (aves) with the word "bird" it is obvious that the language of Genesis 1 and 2 is not intended to be painstakingly accurate, it is fairly general, more like we use language in every day conversations; so the "fruit" of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil might not fit the strict scientific definition of fruit, but it would meet the more loosely held definition of something edible that grows on a tree. Any way you cut it, there just is not enough information there to support the conclusion you are trying to make. I think here you and I are much closer than it seems. I believe that Adam "died" at the moment he sinned because his sin severed a spiritual link to God, and as soon as that link was lost Adam was no longer connected to the source of eternal life and so was in effect, dead. I apologize. For some reason I misread what you wrote. I'm not sure this answers my question. Yes, many words have double meanings, or even simply more than one meaning, for example, "minute." The word "minute" has a specific meaning: 60 seconds. However, it also has several other less concrete meanings, like in the phrase, "in a minute." When someone tells you they are going to do something "in a minute," you rarely expect they mean exactly 60 seconds. Usually it means they will do it as soon as they are finished with what they are currently doing, which could actually be 15 seconds, or even 10 minutes. But just because a word has multiple meanings it does not mean those multiple meanings are all applicable or applied every time the word is used. If I tell you, the bus is scheduled to leave in five minutes, then the only definition of the word "minute" that is correctly applicable is 60 seconds, not some vague, but fairly short measure of time. So, I am not sure what you base your assertion that the word "bread" in Genesis 3:19 has the additional meaning of "the word of God." Can you explain how you arrived at that conclusion, please.

I believe you have diverted your examples from how God uses double meanings to how man uses them. No where in the Bible is "in a minute" used to mean a short time, maybe a little more than 60 seconds. God does not talk casually like we do. His words are exact. At least in the KJV they are.

When God uses numbers He is exact; and, in fact, the numbers themselves have a double meaning. Such as the number 7. A short read of the Bible and people catch on that it is God's complete unit. The number 8 is used for beginning again that which already is. Example Adam was created on the 8th day. Jesus went into Jerusalem on a Sunday, (the 1st of 4 days to observe the lamb to be sure it was spotless), He arose from the grave the next Sunday -- the 8th day -- beginning again that which is already. He began a new thing, the church. The number 6 stands for Gentiles, according to all scholars I read. I don't know how they came to that conclusion; but their definition is correct. Gentiles were created on Day Six and therefore the number 6 is often used for Gentiles. The number 5 is used over and over for death in the Bible. Some say it means grace, and I'll admit we have not learned what all the numbers mean; but when a person experiences the grace of the born again they die to self to the world and to sin. Their soul dies. David held 5 stones to kill Goliath. Preternatural dragons were created Day Five. They were intended to die in the flood all of a sudden. Many verses which speak of death of the flesh but spirit saved are numbered 5 such as I Cor. 5: 5.

If you would use the verse I already gave you, their double meanings would come out. "The invisible things of God are made clear by the things that are made." Therefore, if some new revelation comes out from the DEAD SEA SCROLLS, don't fall for it. Jesus is Living Water. Living Water cannot be a part of DEAD SEA. "The invisible things of God are made clear by the things that are made."

Unleavened bread means the word of God with no contamination in it. If bread is used once to mean bread, it has a double meaning and means more than physical food from grain. It is spiritual bread.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:44 AM

View PostIamsSon, on 05 December 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

They were sinless and were created perfect for God's purpose. See, I believe perfection requires purpose; and without knowing the purpose of something we cannot know if it is perfect or not. If I create a ball and make it absolutely spherical, with a surface that is absolutely smooth and flawless, and I make it so that it fits my hand in such a way that I can hold it with no discomfort, would you say this was a perfect ball? But what if I told you I intended to play regulation baseball with this ball? Would you still consider this ball to be perfect? Not for playing regulation baseball. Regulation baseballs are not perfect, flawless spheres, since they are stitched and made of leather. Regulation baseballs must meet specific size, composition, and weight requirements not met by my ball. Are regulation baseballs perfect balls? They are for playing regulation baseball. So, were Adam and Eve perfect? Yes, they were, for fulfilling God's purpose. How did they know what God was saying? How did they know how to name the animals? How did they know what names were? How did they know they were communicating with each other and/or with God? Obviously, Adam and Eve were intelligent people. I believe they may have known more about astronomy, physics, biology, chemistry, etc. than we know today because they talked with the being who actually created all of that. So, Adam and Eve would have known what "die" meant. They may not have ever experienced it (or maybe they did. They may have seen animals die.), but they would have understood the concept. So, if I tell my daughter not to drive fast in rainy weather because she may die I don't love her? Or my love is not perfect? God was warning Adam and Eve of the consequences of their actions BECAUSE He loved them. Just as a parent will warn their child that touching a hot stove will hurt out of love and concern for the child's well-being, not out of a desire to create an unnecessary fear of stoves in the child.

Each day except for Day Two, God spoke into existence something and said, "Good" not "Perfect" but "Good" for His planned purpose. Day Two was created perfect like God wanted but He didn't give it the usual, "Good." Because He knew He was going to use it for a curve correction in about a 1,000 years.

When Adam was created, you are right he was perfect for God's planned purpose; but he was not sinless. Out of fear and love and over protection or whatever it was, Adam told Eva if she TOUCHED the fruit, that same day she would die. She was deceived by Adam. To manipulate someone by lying is a sin. No one had eaten the fruit, yet.

Eva had never talked with God up to that time. Adam being a figure of Him, (Jesus), who was to come (Romans 5: 14) Adam was the mediator between Eva and God -- just as Jesus is mediator for His bride today. Adam who is a "figure" of Jesus means Adam was a foreshadow of Jesus. Did you happen to notice the whole chapter of Romans 5 talks about death????

After Adam was created, only domestic beasts of the field were created. Adam had not been put to sleep and Eva had not been cloned from the rib of Adam yet. (Remember how Jesus side was pierced? We saw it first in Adam. And Jesus received His bride, the church.

After the domestic animals were created, Adam named them. Just the domestic animals. And their names have stuck. They have never been re-discovered and re-named. A cow is a cow, a cat is a cat, a duck is a duck in whaterever language you were born into. THEN -- THEN-- Eva was created from Adam's rib. Day Six both untamable and domestic animals were created, then both male and female (Gentiles) were created. The order of their creation and the kinds of things created are different form Day Eight when Adam, the first Jew was created.

The Bible says Adam transgressed. David transgressed. All creation did not fall because Adam transgressed anymore than it did when David transgressed. "By one man (Lucifer) sin entered." Because of Lucifer death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned in the same simular sins that Adam transgressed. "Through the offence of one, (Lucifer), many are dead... but the grace of God and the gift of peace is by one man, Jesus Christ." Both "man" are a spiritual man -- Lucifer and Jesus Christ.

If in the last day and sons and your daughters will prophesy, did you think they were going to just repeat what you had already heard? What would be the need, then?  Or maybe the time has come to set the understand straight.
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Edited by Copen, 06 December 2012 - 01:46 AM.


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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:06 AM

Word of advice for God...if the fruit on the tree is forbidden for Adam and Eve to touch, don't put it near them... come one dude!, you're supposed to be almighty and great and you make a mistake like that? Unless it was part of God's plan in which case, that guy has nerve. "Do not sin, it's in the plan, it's in the screenplay but do not sin!"

This could make a good skit...

Also God, if it's broke, you might want to fix it; you know, to right a wrong. It would sure suck if computer companies were to churn out faulty hardware despite knowing that the first model of a series they planned on creating was faulty...but oh well, I'm just planting seeds here.

...****, here I am by myself at the computer talking uh, to myself...that - that's chaos theory. (<Get the reference???)

Edited by Sean93, 06 December 2012 - 03:11 AM.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:48 AM

View PostCopen, on 06 December 2012 - 01:09 AM, said:

Example Adam was created on the 8th day.
Woah!  What?  Please explain this because according to Gen 1, God created Adam on the 6th day.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:50 AM

View PostCopen, on 06 December 2012 - 01:44 AM, said:

Each day except for Day Two, God spoke into existence something and said, "Good" not "Perfect" but "Good" for His planned purpose. Day Two was created perfect like God wanted but He didn't give it the usual, "Good." Because He knew He was going to use it for a curve correction in about a 1,000 years.

When Adam was created, you are right he was perfect for God's planned purpose; but he was not sinless. Out of fear and love and over protection or whatever it was, Adam told Eva if she TOUCHED the fruit, that same day she would die. She was deceived by Adam. To manipulate someone by lying is a sin. No one had eaten the fruit, yet.
OK, where in Scripture do you see Adam telling Eve not to touch the fruit?

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:55 PM

View PostxCrimsonx, on 04 December 2012 - 03:41 AM, said:

Thank you for your response. Bless you. :)

I can't get past how its okay to pretend to eat his flesh yet he created us with emotions and needs that are instinctive for us to procreate.
The Catholic Church is the one that espouses that idea.  Protestant churches believe that communion (eating the bread and drinking the wine [usually grape juice]) is done in remembrance of His sacrifice, and not that we are somehow literally eating his flesh and drinking his blood.

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Without the fruit none of us would have been born! So to speak.
Not really.  If you read the account, God had already told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply, so eating the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was not what resulted in them having children.

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  Modesty is a sin I believe, yet god made them feel shame, he taught them this after the fact!  What would have happened  if Adam and Eve had of done what he asked?
Actually, if you read the text, Adam and Eve felt shame all on their own after eating the fruit.  God simply addressed the shame they were feeling.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 05:14 PM

Do any of you take the story of Adam and Eve literally, talking snake and all?

Edited by Sean93, 06 December 2012 - 05:16 PM.

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