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[zoser]

Could this the same craft that flew over Phoenix in 1997?  Listening to the testimonies on this short clip there is certainly some reason to speculate as much.  Witnesses had time to get a good look at the object at close range.  Described as chevron shape, and grey metallic and massive in size, floating slowly and totally silent.  Some similarity; see what you think.

[zoser]

Just found this; what appears to be actual footage of the sighting.  Shame it occurred before the digital age!

[zoser]

It seems that a year later, in 1984 there was a major sighting (possibly the same object?) at Indian Point nuclear reactor.  The Hudson Valley sightings were part of a flap of sightings that occurred more or less throughout the decade.  The controllers at the base were very close to giving the order to fire at it.  The incident is full of controversy; reporters being threatened, power being mysteriously drained from the reactor.   Definitely worth a read.

http://www.ufoeviden...cle.asp?ID=1081


If you fancy the abridged version:

http://www.nicap.org...p-peekskill.htm

Edited by zoser, 04 June 2012 - 12:56 PM.

[Hazzard]

zoser, on 03 June 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Could this the same craft that flew over Phoenix in 1997?

I seriously doubt that but who knows. The first group of lights over Phoenix back in -97 was aircraft flying in formation, and the second event was military flares.

[zoser]

Hazzard, on 04 June 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

I seriously doubt that but who knows. The first group of lights over Phoenix back in -97 was aircraft flying in formation, and the second event was military flares.

Oh

[WhyDontYouBeliEveMe]

Hazzard, on 04 June 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

I seriously doubt that but who knows. The first group of lights over Phoenix back in -97 was aircraft flying in formation, and the second event was military flares.

lol if they said it was a big controlled balloon you still would believe it !
so many witnesses and some footage.  if this isnt proof . then i dont understands how your mind is working !
if you believe the news, over the thousends of witnesses.. ...

[karl 12]

Zoser, great thread mate and some of that close range eyewitness testimony is pretty darn compelling - there's a good news article here about the sightings and Nick Pope from the British Ministry of Defence makes an interesting comment below about the objects appearance and flight characteristics.

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"We were asking the Americans, 'Are you operating a prototype aircraft in our airspace?' That, of course, was nonsense. You simply would not do that from a diplomatic and political point of view. It would undermine the entire structure of NATO if you were putting things through someone else's airspace, particularly a close ally, without seeking the proper diplomatic clearance. But we had to ask. And the Americans, having had similar reports, I guess, since the Hudson Valley wave [New York state, mid-1980s], had been quietly asking us if we had some large, triangular shaped object that could go from 0 to Mach 5 in a second. Our response was that we wished we did. This was the bizarre situation: that we were chasing the Americans, and the Americans were chasing us."

Nick Pope - Head of the "UFO desk" at Air Secretariat 2-A, British Ministry of Defence.

Cheers!

[Barnabas C 605]

I used to work at the power plant  directly across the river on the rockland side from Indian point. I usually worked the graveyard shift when it was quite at night and there was many times i thought I saw strange things over the sky's there at night. But as far as being to actually think I saw a UFO without a dobt and couldn't be something else I would not say that.  Strange things none the less

[psyche101]

WhyDontYouBeliEveMe, on 04 June 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

lol if they said it was a big controlled balloon you still would believe it !

Yeah, what nonsense ..................

WhyDontYouBeliEveMe, on 04 June 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

so many witnesses and some footage.  if this isnt proof . then i dont understands how your mind is working !

What about witnesses who said the lights moved independently, or do you just believe the witnesses on the UFO sites like our OP?

WhyDontYouBeliEveMe, on 04 June 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

if you believe the news, over the thousends of witnesses.. ...

What about math and fact? Did you read the debate in the BE thread? It can be mathematically proven the second event was flares, and the first event was observed directly by a man with a telescope, and his sighting was confirmed by another. No human eye has the resolution of a Dobsonian Telescope, so who would be right? The people who could actually look at the lights close up or the people in the distance guessing?

I think that your nick is becoming very apparent.

Edited by psyche101, 05 June 2012 - 04:52 AM.

[DBunker]

WhyDontYouBeliEveMe, on 04 June 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

lol if they said it was a big controlled balloon you still would believe it !
so many witnesses and some footage.  if this isnt proof . then i dont understands how your mind is working !
if you believe the news, over the thousends of witnesses.. ...

Lights in the sky=ET starship..... I dont understand how YOUR mind is working.

[psyche101]

zoser, on 04 June 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

Oh

Google

Stormville Flyers Hudson Valley.

Ohh heck, gonna have to do that myself arenlt I? I know if a site does not start with UFO you wont click the link.

LINK

[psyche101]

karl 12, on 04 June 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

Zoser, great thread mate and some of that close range eyewitness testimony is pretty darn compelling - there's a good news article here about the sightings and Nick Pope from the British Ministry of Defence makes an interesting comment below about the objects appearance and flight characteristics.




Cheers!

Hi Karl

I am not seeing the consistency in that article, the drawing shows 10 lights, the witnesses says 6 or 8, all of which are supposed to be lighting up something three football fields long? The lights would have to be about the size of a double decker bus each at least. One says frightening, one says not at all frightening and one says they simply disappeared from time to time, to which the paper says others confirm, but has none of these recollections, just conflicting examples listed.
To be honest, it does not seem all that consistent at all.

[zoser]

psyche101, on 05 June 2012 - 05:02 AM, said:

Hi Karl

I am not seeing the consistency in that article, the drawing shows 10 lights, the witnesses says 6 or 8, all of which are supposed to be lighting up something three football fields long? The lights would have to be about the size of a double decker bus each at least. One says frightening, one says not at all frightening and one says they simply disappeared from time to time, to which the paper says others confirm, but has none of these recollections, just conflicting examples listed.
To be honest, it does not seem all that consistent at all.

I'm not sure that consistency to that level of detail really matters.  Does it matter whether it has 10 lights compared to 6 or 8?  Does it matter whether it is frightening to some and not to others.  I really wouldn't let that worry you too much.  Some may have seen it from a different angle, some may have seen it on the move, some partially obscure by buildings or cloud.  It really surprises me little that there are discrepancies.   The important thing is the overall picture.  This was a mass sighting of a huge object that indeed caused many to be scared, while others clearly saw it as a novelty or even a hoax.  That something caused a major concern to the security of one of Americas research reactors has to be of grave concern and needs explanation I would have thought.

When I listened to the first witness on the video I just know that he witnessed something incredible.  So did the female police officer, so did the guy who stopped by the road with the small party of on lookers.  This is real, and all I can say is that f it was a hoax, it was well executed, very costly, highly risky, and totally pointless.  If it was the military, then why scare the pants of the security personnel at the reactor.  Nothing rational really makes sense.  We have to look at the irrational as uncomfortable as that may be.

[zoser]

karl 12, on 04 June 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

Zoser, great thread mate and some of that close range eyewitness testimony is pretty darn compelling - there's a good news article here about the sightings and Nick Pope from the British Ministry of Defence makes an interesting comment below about the objects appearance and flight characteristics.




Cheers!

Nice article.  Interesting how no-one came forward in the article with an alternative explanation.  This case does not seem to have  attracted the same skeptical analysis as the case of the Phoenix Lights.  Maybe I will find it as I keep looking.

[zoser]

Recommended Clip

UFO Sightings

Twenty-five years ago, some 7200 people reported seeing a V-shaped unidentified flying object in the skies of Putnam and Westchester County.

Police officer Kevin Soravilla's testimony is particularly interesting.  Also mentioned on the clip is some possible link to ancient chambers or burial sites; not sure about this personally but I keep an open mind.

http://www.lohud.com...1/UFO-Sightings