26 replies to this topic

[Hilander]

I believe there are real physics out there.  Unfortunately there are unscrupulous people doing just about everything so I'm sure you will also find this type of behavior even among the physic community.  I believe they should listen to what the people that called them have to say.  They can judge if they find these people credible or not.

[Still Waters]

Update -

Television psychic Derek Acorah has claimed Madeleine McCann is dead, after a messenger from the spirit world told him she is not on this earth any more.

http://www.telegraph...ie-is-dead.html

[shaddow134]

Still Waters, on 15 May 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

Update -

Television psychic Derek Acorah has claimed Madeleine McCann is dead, after a messenger from the spirit world told him she is not on this earth any more.

http://www.telegraph...ie-is-dead.html

Possibly the biggest charlatan of them all.One person who made me cringe with embarrassment when he was on TV.

[jezza130]

Personally know one of the police from leicestershire who went out immediately following the disappearance.  They are certain that she is dead, and indeed like the previous poster think that the mother has something to do with it, the truth will out, and she is definitely under suspicion

[3amfright]

jezza130, on 17 May 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

Personally know one of the police from leicestershire who went out immediately following the disappearance.  They are certain that she is dead, and indeed like the previous poster think that the mother has something to do with it, the truth will out, and she is definitely under suspicion

Mommy dearest did seem eager to keep their other children from "fretting" over their siblings disappearance. That doesn't sound like a woman who needs her family to grieve with her. Sounds like a woman who needs less attention away from herself & whatever she may be doing.

[Mr Right Wing]

3amfright, on 11 May 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

As one who has studied Criminology it is easy to spot the issues with the parents. They most definitely know more than they will ever share with the public & undoubtably some details they are keeping from the police. When it comes to psychics......you are going to get your fakers or new agers who "believe" they have gifts because someone said they did or they like cashing in on people in need. Now, people who are perceptive & empathic do exist. It's just heightened senses that pick up on what the body is puting out. Even if a person believes they are a good liar, unless they are delusional & out right believes their own lie, the body will project a different story.

I don't know this case well. I do know from just reading the dialog of an interview with the parents alone that yes, they are bit off when it comes to their missing daughter. That being said, someone else who knows the area she went missing & is empathic or perceptive & has been following the case & watching the parents could give enough details to assit the police. "Intuition" is just the unconciouse mind assimilating information fastser than we can comprehend & projecting it to us in a way we can read it physically & mentally .

Hopefully something will pan out & the right people will be brought to justice.

I suspect a history of child abuse which went to far in Portugal resulting in Madeleines death.

My reasoning is that if a parent kills a child in an accident then its unlikely the Police would take it further unless there was negligence. Even then it would be manslaughter with a light sentence and therefore I dont believe Madeleines death was an accident. I think the child has been physically or sexually abused and the latest round killed her. Therefore the parents had to hide the body because an autopsy would have recovered evidence of this abuse.

I notice the Police discovered blood specks in the boot of their car but there was insufficent to identify which child it came from. I also notice that criminology says people travel away from the crime scene to dump the body. That is one huge smoking gun.

I think Madeleine was dead even before the parents went on their night out. I think we are dealing with psychopaths that can appear calm (but still strange) on camera. I think they killed her, they dumped the body, they went on their night out, they returned and called the Police with a 'my child has been taken' story.

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 25 May 2012 - 09:46 PM.

[shaddow134]

If this had happened in the UK then i think there would have been some closure to this,what ever the circumstances.I think the British police would have got to the bottom of it all.

From watching the parents on TV,i always felt they were involved..

[Mr Right Wing]

shaddow134, on 25 May 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

If this had happened in the UK then i think there would have been some closure to this,what ever the circumstances.I think the British police would have got to the bottom of it all.

From watching the parents on TV,i always felt they were involved..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13386785

Sniffer dogs find blood traces in the appartment
Tests result in Portugeuse police naming the mother as a suspect
Sniffer dogs find traces of blood in a car they hired 25 days after she disappeared.
Police play down the blood in the car being 100% DNA match to madeline
Police take the blood evidence to Court before an instructional Judge (determines chances of convinction on evidence so far)
Jane Tanner (dinner party friend) claims she saw a man carrying a child
Judicial secrecy extended on case (we werent even told it was in place)

I think the police need to find out where the body was stored until they rented the car.

http://jillhavern.fo...ch-to-madeleine
http://jillhavern.fo...not-telling-you

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 26 May 2012 - 12:37 AM.

[Bentbender]

I have been a fan of this web site for a long time and now I feel I need to comment on this thread.
Where I live we had a case where a little girl was kidnapped her name is Tori Stafford. She was part of a very aggressive police search. Prior to being found I knew who killed her, where she was berried, where she would be found and how she was killed. At one point I mentioned it to others and told them what I knew. I had seen it all prior to her being found.

I regret deeply that I did not go to the police after all how could they believe me and after all how would the even believe it without thinking I did it since I knew so much about it.

I told this story to a friend who is a cop after the fact and she was upset with me for not letting her know earlier.

I was not looking for money or fame just wanted to help and felt bad about the case. I was told by my friend that if this happens again that I come straight to her and tell her.

I as of late found out that I have more connections to the case that I did not know about at the time. For example my partner went to the same school as the father of Tory. Also that one of the killers babysat for a close friend of mine 6 months prior to this event and that they did not want her to continue doing so as she was heavily into drugs.

I do not expect anyone here to believe me just that I needed to say that sometimes we know things and we should all pay attention to it as it may just be right.

[3amfright]

Mr Right Wing, on 25 May 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

I suspect a history of child abuse which went to far in Portugal resulting in Madeleines death.

My reasoning is that if a parent kills a child in an accident then its unlikely the Police would take it further unless there was negligence. Even then it would be manslaughter with a light sentence and therefore I dont believe Madeleines death was an accident. I think the child has been physically or sexually abused and the latest round killed her. Therefore the parents had to hide the body because an autopsy would have recovered evidence of this abuse.

I notice the Police discovered blood specks in the boot of their car but there was insufficent to identify which child it came from. I also notice that criminology says people travel away from the crime scene to dump the body. That is one huge smoking gun.

I think Madeleine was dead even before the parents went on their night out. I think we are dealing with psychopaths that can appear calm (but still strange) on camera. I think they killed her, they dumped the body, they went on their night out, they returned and called the Police with a 'my child has been taken' story.

I would suspect you are probably very correct. Which is very sad to say.

[Mr Right Wing]

3amfright, on 28 May 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

I would suspect you are probably very correct. Which is very sad to say.

The website I linked to above is very interesting.

The car that was rented 25 days after she was reporting missing by the parents provided several dna samples. A blood one which was 80% likely to be hers and a 100% match on one which was decomposition fluids.

Sniffer dogs trained to detect dead bodies indicated one had been in the car, one had been in the flats living room, the parents bedroom, some of the childs clothing also smelt of death and finally one of her soft toys. Witnesses had reported the car boot being left open for several days to air it.

The Portugeuse Police went to a Court session with a Judge that decides whether to prosecute. There is a secrecy order in place preventing the parents knowing all what was discussed.

During interview the parents kept changing their story, there were a lot of strange contradictions, they behaved strange, their friends accounts also seemed made up, there is evidence that the parents knew the paedophile originally suspected before the abduction and most shockingly over here in England another doctor went to the police about them which was kept secret from the media and Portugeuse police.

A doctor that knew the family and had socialised with them a few times in the past reported paedophilla comments they had made to the Police when the child went missing.

[minera]

Bentbender, on 27 May 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

I have been a fan of this web site for a long time and now I feel I need to comment on this thread.
Where I live we had a case where a little girl was kidnapped her name is Tori Stafford. She was part of a very aggressive police search. Prior to being found I knew who killed her, where she was berried, where she would be found and how she was killed. At one point I mentioned it to others and told them what I knew. I had seen it all prior to her being found.

I regret deeply that I did not go to the police after all how could they believe me and after all how would the even believe it without thinking I did it since I knew so much about it.

I told this story to a friend who is a cop after the fact and she was upset with me for not letting her know earlier.

I was not looking for money or fame just wanted to help and felt bad about the case. I was told by my friend that if this happens again that I come straight to her and tell her.

I as of late found out that I have more connections to the case that I did not know about at the time. For example my partner went to the same school as the father of Tory. Also that one of the killers babysat for a close friend of mine 6 months prior to this event and that they did not want her to continue doing so as she was heavily into drugs.

I do not expect anyone here to believe me just that I needed to say that sometimes we know things and we should all pay attention to it as it may just be right.

I know the tragic incident you are speaking of. In fact the woman that took Tori was known to the family and the little girl, which is probaby why she went with her in the first place. The video at the school clearly shows that.  As for your  knowing things and fear of saying anything I understand well. People label you crazy or attention seeking, and sometimes you even doubt your self. I had a dream of one little girl who went missing in another city well over 30 years ago. I was pregnant at the time with my daughter. I even wrote the dream down with some illustrations. The girl's name was Tanya Murrell. I dreamt that a woman took her and re named her Nancy. The woman was older and heavy set with very plain features . I felt the child was taken not too far from the school. What do you do in such a case? Go to the police and tell them you had a 'dream?  A few years later in the same city at a shopping mall someone tried to abduct a little boy but the father intervened. The composite drawing was made of the woman and in the paper. Believe it or not it looked just like the woman in my previous dream only difference was that she was now wearing glasses. Creepy. I felt also that the case would eventually be solved but many many years later. Like you it has bothered me for years that I did not say anything to anyone other than friends and family. Who would have taken me seriously?