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WoIverine, on 15 November 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

History, doomed to repeat it, it seems.

Nope, things just happen twice in history, once as tragedy and once as comedy.

[joc]

questionmark, on 15 November 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

Nope, things just happen twice in history, once as tragedy and once as comedy.

Hmmm...so Hitler attempted to annihilate the Jews.   That was tragedy.  Iran wants to annihilate the Jews....so when 10 million Jews die that will be comedy?

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joc, on 15 November 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

Hmmm...so Hitler attempted to annihilate the Jews.   That was tragedy.  Iran wants to annihilate the Jews....so when 10 million Jews die that will be comedy?

There will be no annihilation of the Jews by Iran, maybe some day they will run out of the need of somebody to blame their faults on and decide to wipe Israel off the map, but that will have to do little with Jews, much more with Zionists.  Sometimes a Jew and a Zionist are the same thing, but not always. There are in fact Christian Zionists.

Derailed enough, thank you.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

questionmark, on 15 November 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

There will be no annihilation of the Jews by Iran, maybe some day they will run out of the need of somebody to blame their faults on and decide to wipe Israel off the map, but that will have to do little with Jews, much more with Zionists.  Sometimes a Jew and a Zionist are the same thing, but not always. There are in fact Christian Zionists.

Derailed enough, thank you.

Everything is either the fault of the Jews, or the Muslims. It's always the fault of the other bogey group. It's never ever the fault of one's own group.

[joc]

questionmark, on 15 November 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

There will be no annihilation of the Jews by Iran, maybe some day they will run out of the need of somebody to blame their faults on and decide to wipe Israel off the map, but that will have to do little with Jews, much more with Zionists.  Sometimes a Jew and a Zionist are the same thing, but not always. There are in fact Christian Zionists.

Derailed enough, thank you.

Okay...I won't derail any further than (I must leave for work)  other than to say that regardless of what label you want to put on them.  The President of Iran has said numerous times that he would like to wipe Israel off the face of the map....and to also say to this:

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Everything is either the fault of the Jews, or the Muslims. It's always the fault of the other bogey group. It's never ever the fault of one's own group

Seriously...what the hell does that have to do with what was just said?  Nothing.  Thank you!

But....to the point of the topic.......

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What is left of the Union can simply wait until those, where secession has a chance, degrade to 3rd world status (which is not very difficult as most of them depend on one or more pork barrel from Washington for their subsistence) and then dictate them any humiliating terms to be accepted again and they would take it.

I think you have it a bit bassackwards....Texas doesn't need Washington...and if we succeed...well...look at the other states that would go with us...it would be the rest of the Union that would come begging to join us when they became destitute.

[Bama13]

questionmark, on 14 November 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

I don't think that, should some of these jokers actually succeed, there will be a clear war North/South. What is left of the Union can simply wait until those, where secession has a chance, degrade to 3rd world status (which is not very difficult as most of them depend on one or more pork barrel from Washington for their subsistence) and then dictate them any humiliating terms to be accepted again and they would take it.

Where do y'all plan on getting gas for your vehicles? You realize that most refineries are in Texas and Louisiana.
Where do you think Washington DC gets there money for pork? From the citizens of the states.

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Bama13, on 15 November 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

Where do y'all plan on getting gas for your vehicles? You realize that most refineries are in Texas and Louisiana.
Where do you think Washington DC gets there money for pork? From the citizens of the states.

The same way they get most of it right now anyway because there are not enough refining capacities in the US: buy it in Europe, as they use mostly Diesel they have too much of it.

Edited by questionmark, 15 November 2012 - 05:38 PM.

[Corp]

You know there is a very easy solution to all this. The US will be disolved and revert to British control. Then your leader, Queen Elizabeth the Second, will restructure your country into a more suitable orginization. We'll test it for a year or so and then the US will be allowed back into the Commonwealth. There, problem solved.

[EllJay]

Corp, on 15 November 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

You know there is a very easy solution to all this. The US will be disolved and revert to British control. Then your leader, Queen Elizabeth the Second, will restructure your country into a more suitable orginization. We'll test it for a year or so and then the US will be allowed back into the Commonwealth. There, problem solved.

Heh, I think we are more likely to see NHL in hell before that happens.

[aztek]

Corp, on 15 November 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

You know there is a very easy solution to all this. The US will be disolved and revert to British control. Then your leader, Queen Elizabeth the Second, will restructure your country into a more suitable orginization. We'll test it for a year or so and then the US will be allowed back into the Commonwealth. There, problem solved.

lol, sure, we kicked brits out with guns before, we'll do it again if we have to.

not that i 'm in favor of any state comming out from the union, it will create more problems than solution. we see how good brake up of ussr worked.

[Hasina]

Hasina, on 14 November 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

The PETITIONS are filed by PEOPLE who wish that their VIEWPOINT and STANCE be viewed by the federal government.

None of the STATE GOVERNMENTS ENDORSE these.

Oh man, good point past Hasina.

Hasina, on 14 November 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

No problem future Hasina. I'd also like to say that even if in some unlikely event that the White House or the federal government signed off on the petitions, it wouldn't mean the state's seceded. They'd then have to file a petition to their state to secede or ask the state government if they wanted to secede. In both cases, it would more then likely never get done. Especially since the federal government will never approve of these silly petitions.

Stop showing me up, past Hasina.

[cormac mac airt]

Bama13, on 15 November 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

You are incorrect. There was a "south" and "southerners". John Adams wanted someone form the "south" (therefore a "southerner") to lead the army in order to assure the "south" was on board with the revolution. The constitutional debate of whether slavery would be allowed in the US was between "northern" and "southern" states. There were also the "middle" states.

James Madison is called the "Father of the Constitution". He was from the "south".

Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Georgia, Connecticut, Massachussetts, Maryland, South Carolina, New Hampshire, Virginia and New York were the only states in 1788. And there's a rather large difference between what John Adams considered the south in 1788 and what was "the South" (meaning the Confederate States of America) c.1860 - 1865. BTW, James Madison may have helped draft the Constitution, but again, Gouverneur Morris actually wrote most of it and he was from New York. So no, it wasn't written by a Southerner. There was no meaningful division between North and South in 1788 like there was during the Civil War.

cormac

[Kafkaesque]

Granted, the USA was founded on secession.

People who call secessionists un-American are very ignorant.

[WoIverine]

Drayno, on 15 November 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

Granted, the USA was founded on secession.

People who call secessionists un-American are very ignorant.

That being the case, those against seccession will try to paint those who are for it in a negative light, that can almost be expected. It's already happening.

Edited by WoIverine, 15 November 2012 - 08:07 PM.

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WoIverine, on 15 November 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

That being the case, those against seccession will try to paint those who are for it in a negative light, that can almost be expected. It's already happening.

Everything is relative, claiming that those wanting to secede are pro-American is just as ludicrous as claiming that the continental Army was pro-British. What makes the difference between being a traitor or a hero is whether you are successful and whether you are on the winning or loosing side.