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[markdohle]

Figures from Statistics Canada, a federal government agency, show 491 babies were born alive following botched abortions during the period from 2000-2009 and left to die afterwards. The numbers have pro-life advocates up in arms.
Andre Schutten, legal counsel for ARPA Canada, noticed the numbers and blogged about them recently.
The blog Run with Life has reported that, from 2000 to 2009, 491 babies have been born alive following a failed abortion procedure, and subsequently left to die. And those are only the ones that are recordedby Statistics Canada.
The blog explains that “there were 491 abortions, of 20 weeks gestation and greater, that resulted in live births. This means that the aborted child died after it was born. These abortions are coded as P96.4 or ‘Termination of pregnancy, affecting fetus and newborn’.”
The question that should immediately present itself is, why has there not been 491 homicide investigations or prosecutions in connection with these deaths? Section 223(2) of the Criminal Code (the accompanying subsection to the now infamous subsection that Mr. Woodworth’s motion 312 was examining) reads “A person commits homicide when he causes injury to a child before or during its birth as a result of which the child dies after becoming a human being.” That is to say, anyone who interferes with a pregnancy such that the child dies after it is born alive due to that interference, is guilty of homicide.
So again, why have there been no criminal prosecutions? Why no outcry? And why are the provinces funding this explicitly criminal activity?

Some might argue that these procedures need to be protected in order to protect women’s health. Those who defend such actions or procedures are undoubtedly grasping at the defense for the crime listed in 238(1). Subsection 238(2) provides this defence: “This section does not apply to a person who, by means that, in good faith, he considers necessary to preserve the life of the mother of a child, causes the death of that child

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[AliveInDeath7]

Sick.. they beat death once and they're going to leave them to die anyway..

[ShadowBoy86x]

omg, thats just horrible!!! Im against abortions to begin with.

[JGirl]

"A person commits homicide when he causes injury to a child before or during its birth as a result of which the child dies after becoming a human being.”
this statement does not make sense as it is written.
is a foetus a child but not a human?
as for the abortion issue. i have no say in what another woman does with her body. nor do any of you. you can call it what you like but it still is not for you to make that decision.
as for this report - i find it disturbing that this happened, and i wonder how this was allowed to happen.
still it is not typical of how abortions are performed. there is more to this i think.

[Pupp3t]

A woman does whatever she wants their body. Abortion and such. Don't mind. As long as the child isn't even a human being yet, but rather a clump of cells, then abort it. Its heart isn't formed yet.
   But to have abortions happen like this? Alright, that might be crossing the line.

[Darkwind]

I need more information, to say what one should do in the situation.  How many Babies born at 20 weeks live?  491 out of how many abortions at 20 weeks? Are you keeping it a live just to prolong it's death?

[Hilander]

I have no problem with an abortion in the first two months or so but after that I do if they are getting one just because they messed up and got pregnant.  I don't like it used as a form of birth control.  I vaguely knew this one woman one time that had three abortions over a 5 year period.  She needed to be doing something else.  She ended up sterile so I guess something else was done.

[Armchair Educated]

abortions upsets me as its the ending of a potential life that isnt given the chance to blossom. i understand that women have the right to do what they want with their bodies but contraception is there for a reason. my origins begin with my mother giving birth to my dead twin and the doctors telling my mum that she wasnt still pregant and her baby was dead, if my mother had listened to the doctors she would of been given drugs that would of damaged my chances of surviving. i bring this up as i had a chance to blossom and hope others arnt denied the posibilties of life.

[Seeker79]

If those children were viable and living.... Well ... Murdering a child for the sake of ones wants is simply pure evil. But I agree with Jgirl... There is more to this story me thinks. It has the ring of rhetoric to me.

Edited by Seeker79, 25 November 2012 - 10:07 PM.

[markdohle]

JGirl, on 25 November 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

"A person commits homicide when he causes injury to a child before or during its birth as a result of which the child dies after becoming a human being.”
this statement does not make sense as it is written.
is a foetus a child but not a human?
as for the abortion issue. i have no say in what another woman does with her body. nor do any of you. you can call it what you like but it still is not for you to make that decision.
as for this report - i find it disturbing that this happened, and i wonder how this was allowed to happen.
still it is not typical of how abortions are performed. there is more to this i think.

Abortion clinics are a business, so people who work for them, well many of them, may become callous and unfeeling.  Nothing stays the same, once a step is taken, then it moves forward and bears fruit, either for good or evil.  Abortion on demand is evil, most abortions are selective and not done because the mothers life is in danger.  The unborn have rights, one day that will be known, until then, abortions on demand will be allowed and men will continue (again many) to be able to do what they want without responsibility.  Sex is not a recreational sport, you would think we would have learned that by now....perhaps we never will.

Peace
mark

[markdohle]

Seeker79, on 25 November 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

If those children were viable and living.... Well ... Murdering a child for the sake of ones wants is simply pure evil. But I agree with Jgirl... There is more to this story me thinks. It has the ring of rhetoric to me.

This is not the first time this has happened and continues to happen everyday.  Remains of the aborted have been found in trash cans behind the clinic.  Again, it is a business that is all, though of course there could be some who care, the bottom line is making money.  The ramification of abortion on demand have not yet been fully felt.

Peace
mark

[markdohle]

Darkwind, on 25 November 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

I need more information, to say what one should do in the situation.  How many Babies born at 20 weeks live?  491 out of how many abortions at 20 weeks? Are you keeping it a live just to prolong it's death?

The fact that they did not try, which is infanticide.  In anycase where the line is drawn will change, so what is immoral will be legal, perhaps as some want, the time for parents to decide will be three months.

This is something by Peter Singer, which will in time become accepted by our society:
Here is where Singer picks up his detractors. According to this avant garde thinker, unborn babies or neonates, lacking the requisite consciousness to qualify as persons, have less right to continue to live than an adult gorilla. By the same token, a suffering or disabled child would have a weaker claim not to be killed than a mature pig. Singer writes, in Rethinking Life and Death:

Human babies are not born self-aware or capable of grasping their lives over time. They are not persons. Hence their lives would seem to be no more worthy of protection that the life of a fetus.

And writing specifically about Down syndrome babies, he advocates trading a disabled or defective child (one who is apparently doomed to too much suffering) for one who has better prospects for happiness:

We may not want a child to start on life's uncertain voyage if the prospects arc clouded. When this can be known at a very early stage in the voyage, we may still have a chance to make a fresh start. This means detaching ourselves from the infant who has been born, cutting ourselves free before the ties that have already begun to bind us to our child have become irresistible. Instead of going forward and putting all our effort into making the best of the situation, we can still say no, and start again from the beginning.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Peter_Singer

Edited by markdohle, 25 November 2012 - 11:59 PM.

[JGirl]

markdohle, on 25 November 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

Abortion clinics are a business, so people who work for them, well many of them, may become callous and unfeeling.  Nothing stays the same, once a step is taken, then it moves forward and bears fruit, either for good or evil.  Abortion on demand is evil, most abortions are selective and not done because the mothers life is in danger.  The unborn have rights, one day that will be known, until then, abortions on demand will be allowed and men will continue (again many) to be able to do what they want without responsibility.  Sex is not a recreational sport, you would think we would have learned that by now....perhaps we never will.

Peace
mark

in my country abortion is neither illegal or evil. the so called unborn do not have rights as you suggest according to our law.
everything you have said in this post is your own interpretation and your own slant on how things should be. i would like to point out that you are a man as well, so in my opinion your attitude about a woman's body is irrelevant.
if your wife or significant other plans to abort 'your' child then you work it out between the two of you. the law, the church, the government have no business with that.

edit to add:
where i live abortion clinics are not a business. they are an extension of our health care system

Edited by JGirl, 26 November 2012 - 01:46 AM.

[JGirl]

markdohle, on 25 November 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

This is not the first time this has happened and continues to happen everyday.  Remains of the aborted have been found in trash cans behind the clinic. Again, it is a business that is all, though of course there could be some who care, the bottom line is making money.  The ramification of abortion on demand have not yet been fully felt.

Peace
mark

where? show me where you read that this has happened

[freetoroam]

And that`s just the ones they have found out about! It happens all over the world, especially in poorer countries.