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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 08:10 PM

www.dailymail.co.uk said:

Those convicted of homosexual crimes could soon apply to have their convictions wiped from the records under a government measure to tackle discrimination.

More than 16,000 convictions for crimes relating to consensual gay sex could be removed from police computers, following intense lobbying from gay rights group Stonewall.

Men convicted of loitering with intent could also apply to have their criminal record erased under the plans, which emerged today.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 05:06 PM

I dont think Homosexuals should be allowed in the Police, Prison Service, Justice system or allowed to become solicitors.

Looking at the strength of their overeactions on these forums alone I think many are incapable of behaving professionally should they encounter people accused of hate crimes, discrimination or in fact guilty of them.

I think the state should keep a database of all homosexuals as a screening aid should they apply for a job connected to any of the above. Old records should be added to the new. Those will convictions from a time when homosexual acts were illegal may be more prone to unprofessional behaviour that others.

Edited by Chimpanzee, 05 October 2011 - 05:08 PM.


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 06:48 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 05:06 PM, said:

I dont think Homosexuals should be allowed in the Police, Prison Service, Justice system or allowed to become solicitors.

Looking at the strength of their overeactions on these forums alone I think many are incapable of behaving professionally should they encounter people accused of hate crimes, discrimination or in fact guilty of them.

I think the state should keep a database of all homosexuals as a screening aid should they apply for a job connected to any of the above. Old records should be added to the new. Those will convictions from a time when homosexual acts were illegal may be more prone to unprofessional behaviour that others.

Ae you being serious now? Because honestly, that sounds crazy.

It's blatant discrimination that you're championing there.

Edited by shadowhive, 05 October 2011 - 06:49 PM.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
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Posted 05 October 2011 - 06:49 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 05:06 PM, said:

I dont think Homosexuals should be allowed in the Police, Prison Service, Justice system or allowed to become solicitors.

Looking at the strength of their overeactions on these forums alone I think many are incapable of behaving professionally should they encounter people accused of hate crimes, discrimination or in fact guilty of them.

I think the state should keep a database of all homosexuals as a screening aid should they apply for a job connected to any of the above. Old records should be added to the new. Those will convictions from a time when homosexual acts were illegal may be more prone to unprofessional behaviour that others.


Whoa, what a wild generalization.

Didn't what the US did to the Japanese show us anything?

I'm kinda speechless...but give me a few minutes.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 06:53 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 05:06 PM, said:

I dont think Homosexuals should be allowed in the Police, Prison Service, Justice system or allowed to become solicitors.

Looking at the strength of their overeactions on these forums alone I think many are incapable of behaving professionally should they encounter people accused of hate crimes, discrimination or in fact guilty of them.

I think the state should keep a database of all homosexuals as a screening aid should they apply for a job connected to any of the above. Old records should be added to the new. Those will convictions from a time when homosexual acts were illegal may be more prone to unprofessional behaviour that others.

Wow. You wouldn't happen to have a swinging little mustache, would yuh?

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 06:55 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 05:06 PM, said:

I dont think Homosexuals should be allowed in the Police, Prison Service, Justice system or allowed to become solicitors.

Looking at the strength of their overeactions on these forums alone I think many are incapable of behaving professionally should they encounter people accused of hate crimes, discrimination or in fact guilty of them.

I think the state should keep a database of all homosexuals as a screening aid should they apply for a job connected to any of the above. Old records should be added to the new. Those will convictions from a time when homosexual acts were illegal may be more prone to unprofessional behaviour that others.


That's a wide brush you're painting with Chimpanzee.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 06:58 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 05 October 2011 - 06:49 PM, said:

Whoa, what a wild generalization.

Didn't what the US did to the Japanese show us anything?

I'm kinda speechless...but give me a few minutes.

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A whole list of people should be banned from the jobs it isnt just homosexuals.

Would you let someone who was the victim of child abuse become a Prison Guard looking after sex offenders?
Would you let a KKK member be a Policeman and expect him to behave professionally with black suspects?

Anybody that can have issues against other types of people should be banned from those jobs and yes that includes homosexuals because many will have issues regarding discrimination and hate crime suspects.

Edited by Chimpanzee, 05 October 2011 - 06:59 PM.


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:01 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 06:58 PM, said:

A whole list of people should be banned from the jobs it isnt just homosexuals.

Would you let someone who was the victim of child abuse become a Prison Guard looking after sex offenders?
Would you let a KKK member be a Policeman and expect him to behave professionally with black suspects?

Anybody that can have issues against other types of people should be banned from those jobs and yes that includes homosexuals because many will have issues regarding discrimination and hate crime suspects.

If you follow that path then anyone could get banned from pretty much any form of job.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:02 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 06:58 PM, said:

A whole list of people should be banned from the jobs it isnt just homosexuals.

Would you let someone who was the victim of child abuse become a Prison Guard looking after sex offenders?
Would you let a KKK member be a Policeman and expect him to behave professionally with black suspects?

Anybody that can have issues against other types of people should be banned from those jobs and yes that includes homosexuals because many will have issues regarding discrimination and hate crime suspects.


Oh no no no.  That doesn't work.  You're comparing homosexuality with criminal behavior.

Not a valid comparison.

Load of crap is what it is.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:05 PM

AND - there are many homosexual police officers, judges,lawyers, etc. right now...

I'm pretty confident that you couldn't pick them out in a crowd and that most of them are fairly practicing their vocation now.

So, these people should be "tagged" so we know who to watch?

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:09 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 05 October 2011 - 07:02 PM, said:

Oh no no no.  That doesn't work.  You're comparing homosexuality with criminal behavior.

Not a valid comparison.

Load of crap is what it is.

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No I'm saying many have a motive to act unprofessionally.


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:11 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 05 October 2011 - 07:05 PM, said:

AND - there are many homosexual police officers, judges,lawyers, etc. right now...

I'm pretty confident that you couldn't pick them out in a crowd and that most of them are fairly practicing their vocation now.

So, these people should be "tagged" so we know who to watch?

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Yes

Would you let a neo-nazi be a judge of a criminal case where the defendant is a black man?
Would you let a black man be the judge of a criminal case where the defendant is a neo-nazi?

See my point?


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:12 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 05:06 PM, said:

I dont think Homosexuals should be allowed in the Police, Prison Service, Justice system or allowed to become solicitors.

Looking at the strength of their overeactions on these forums alone I think many are incapable of behaving professionally should they encounter people accused of hate crimes, discrimination or in fact guilty of them.

I think the state should keep a database of all homosexuals as a screening aid should they apply for a job connected to any of the above. Old records should be added to the new. Those will convictions from a time when homosexual acts were illegal may be more prone to unprofessional behaviour that others.

Wow, I had a few things I wanted to say, but sadly I prefer to have intelligent conversations with rational people.

Edited by thatRobGuy, 05 October 2011 - 07:13 PM.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:15 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:09 PM, said:

No I'm saying many have a motive to act unprofessionally.


BTW - Yes, if a person was abused as a child and grew up, gained an education and passed the requirements and evaluations I would give them the job.  BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT IS DISCRIMINATION.

Same thing with any other position.

EVERYONE can have a motive to behave in an "unprofessional" way in a situation.  Being homosexual doesn't make anyone "more likely" to behave in an unprofessional way.

You're being too general and discriminatory towards homosexuals.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:18 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:11 PM, said:

Yes

Would you let a neo-nazi be a judge of a criminal case where the defendant is a black man?
Would you let a black man be the judge of a criminal case where the defendant is a neo-nazi?

See my point?


Judges are vetted and the neo-nazi crap would probably come to light way before that individual was sitting.

Yes, I would let a black man judge a criminal case where the defendant is a neo-nazi.  Part of being professional is separating your personal biases from the law.

Again, you're painting horrid generalizations.

I ask you, should everyone be tagged, based on their religion, sexual orientation, color, and then sequestered to certain positions and actions?

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