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[violet123]

i have read on a website i don't remember the name of it but someone had a theory about the universe could be fake
do you think it could be possible?

[Jeffertonturner]

No.

[Imaginarynumber1]

I agree with the above poster.

[diablo_04]

its like you are posting in a forum that the internet is fake.

..so tell me how can be when you are using it, its the same with the universe, you are in it dude.

[Gummug]

Descartes (I think it was Descartes, leastways) disproved that when he said, "Cogito ergo sum"..."I think, therefore I am".
Edited to add: Sorry, I posted this evidently just seconds after the above poster, else I would have abstained to avoid redundancy.

Edited by Gummug, 09 July 2012 - 10:24 PM.

[Super-Fly]

LOL

[spud the mackem]

Oh dear am I seeing fake stars ? Maybe we are surrounded by a big blanket with pinholes in it and the lights on outside. Wow !

[digidigibam]

prettyviolet, on 09 July 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

i have read on a website i don't remember the name of it but someone had a theory about the universe could be fake
do you think it could be possible?

The universe is real and fake. What is real? If it's what we can observe and touch or feel, smell, even think. Then it is nothing but electrical signals interpreted by the brain. In this three dimensional Observable Universe all is possible. For it to be fake would still make it exist.

[digidigibam]

I think, therefore I am. That is flawed by simpel logic. Your thought can never be you. Or you could say hes going way deep, by saying everything I think I manifest. His reasoning was that there is no way to prove that his thoughts are deluded or beeing deceived. But then logic says I think what I am, but i am not.

[Paradigm2929]

digidigibam, on 10 July 2012 - 01:01 AM, said:

I think, therefore I am. That is flawed by simpel logic. Your thought can never be you. Or you could say hes going way deep, by saying everything I think I manifest. His reasoning was that there is no way to prove that his thoughts are deluded or beeing deceived. But then logic says I think what I am, but i am not.

Here is a snippet from the translated English version of Discourse on Method by Rene Descartes:

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In the next place, I attentively examined what I was, and as I observed that I could suppose that I had no body, and that there was no world nor any place in which I might be; but that I could not therfore suppose that I was not; and that, on the contrary, from the very circumstance that I thought to doubt of the truth of other things, it most clearly and certainly followed that I was; while, on the other hand, if I had only ceased to think, although all the other objects which I had ever imagined had been in reality existent, I would have had no reason to believe that I existed; I thence concluded that I was a substance whose whole essence or nature consists only in thinking, and which, that it may exist, has need of no place, nor is dependent on any material thing; so that "I," that is to say, the mind by which I am what I am, is wholly distinct from the body, and is even more easily known than the latter, and is such, that although the latter were not, it would still continue to be all that it is.

Sorry, a long snippet. Anyways... I do believe that what he is attempting to say is that it is not his body that gives him identity but his mind, more specifically his ability to think. This way of thinking is also known as dualism.

As for the topic question, I believe that one may argue one way or the other if, in fact, by "fake" it is meant "untrue." If person A believes that the universe is an X-dimensioned space that is continuously expanding from a single point outwards, but person B believes that the universe is a X-dimensioned space that is slowly receding, there is a reasonable argument that the universe, as perceived by person A, is in fact "fake" or untrue in regards to the beliefs and perception of person B.

Edited by Paradigm2929, 10 July 2012 - 03:18 AM.

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

digidigibam, on 10 July 2012 - 01:01 AM, said:

Your thought can never be you.

It can on the mental/ thought realms such the astral planes

[rimbaudelaire]

prettyviolet, on 09 July 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

i have read on a website i don't remember the name of it but someone had a theory about the universe could be fake
do you think it could be possible?

Are you referring to the "Through the Wormhole" episode (w/Morgan Freeman on Discovery Channel) that features an argument (one of many presented) that the universe exists only because each individual thinks/perceives it in that particular moment? I'm sure that it's a theory which has been published in a book--probably several.

Yes, it is derived from Decartes but it expands that existentialist notion exponentially.

[Tiggs]

prettyviolet, on 09 July 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

i have read on a website i don't remember the name of it but someone had a theory about the universe could be fake
do you think it could be possible?

Which theory? Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" or Descarte's "Brain in a vat" or Bostrom's "Simulation argument" or Hooft's "Holographic Universe" or something entirely different?

[markdohle]

Tiggs, on 10 July 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

Which theory? Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" or Descarte's "Brain in a vat" or Bostrom's "Simulation argument" or Hooft's "Holographic Universe" or something entirely different?

I think the universe is real, it is just our senses are both a doorway to reality, as well as a limitation, I believe.

peace
mark

[AliveInDeath7]

The universe is real, of course.