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#46    Paxus

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Posted 31 May 2011 - 04:29 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 30 May 2011 - 11:56 PM, said:

<SNIP.....
....and then deride him on the medias interpretation of his words. One would think after the way the media tore up Edgar Mitchell's claims and created their own version of Alien news, that we would have learned a thing or two.
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What do you mean about Edgar Mitchell's claims? Because I recently read his book and he's making some pretty spectacular (yes ALIEN) claims all by himself! ;)

Edited by Paxus, 31 May 2011 - 04:30 PM.


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Posted 01 June 2011 - 04:32 AM

Stephen Hawking has lost his marbles. I just hope he's wrong. :w00t:


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Posted 01 June 2011 - 04:35 AM

View PostPaxus, on 31 May 2011 - 04:29 PM, said:

What do you mean about Edgar Mitchell's claims? Because I recently read his book and he's making some pretty spectacular (yes ALIEN) claims all by himself! ;)

He is making spectacular claims, but for others.
The media is constantly saying that Dr. Mitchell can verify Alien life visiting earth, and that he has proof.

More on moonwalker Edgar Mitchell's claim that space aliens have visited earth

Aliens really are here

Aliens exist and UFOs are covered-up by US government, says ex-astronaut

Apollo 14 astronaut claims aliens HAVE made contact - but it has been covered up for 60 years

They all have the same common theme, this from the last link

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Aliens have contacted humans several times but governments have hidden the truth for 60 years, the sixth man to walk on the moon has claimed.


But Dr. Mitchell says he has no evidence, nor has he witnessed such, the old timers told him so and he believes them, and that he has walked past the Foster ranch. In the following interview, Dr. Mitchell himself says the media has blown his claims out of proportion. In addition, he also says he was specifically referring to one incident.

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Astronaut Edgar Mitchell Sets Record Straight About E.T. Beliefs


LB: As we were mentioning before the show started, you really stirred up a hornet’s nest, strangely enough, and like you said, you’ve been saying this for years.

EM: I don’t know what really got things stirred up, perhaps it was the Larry King show. I don’t know.

LB: Could be. But basically people are freaking out that you were aware of several UFO visits.

EM: That’s not quite right. You use that in the plural. I was talking about the Roswell incident, the Roswell visitation primarily, but there have been many others that have been reported that I have no personal awareness of but that was the one that I was really talking about.

LB: So the interview has been a little misquoted. But you actually have information about the Roswell incident?

EM: Yes and my information comes from what I call “the old timers,” because I grew up in the Roswell area and when I went to the moon, some of the old timers from that period, some locals, and others military and intelligence people, who were under rather severe oaths to not reveal any of this and kind of wanted to get their conscience clear and off their chests before they passed on, selected me and said, independently – this wasn’t a group effort – independently that maybe I might be a safe person to tell their story to. And all of them confirmed, and what I’m saying is they confirmed the Roswell incident was a real incident and they in some way had some part in it that they wanted to talk about.

Dr. Mitchell says others told him about Aliens, and that he believes them. That is the extent of his input. The media makes out that he is aware of much more. His claims are sensationalised, which is why the media exists - to sell papers. I expect this from them, but I think people could use some more control when reading what is essentially an entertainment medium.

Edited by psyche101, 01 June 2011 - 04:37 AM.

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Posted 01 June 2011 - 04:38 AM

View PostAlienated Being, on 01 June 2011 - 04:32 AM, said:

Stephen Hawking has lost his marbles. I just hope he's wrong. :w00t:


Another one that reads the newspaper as opposed to what the person actually says.

Things are what they are. - Me Reality can't be debunked. That's the beauty of it. - Capeo 'If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.' - Sir Isaac Newton. "Let me repeat the lesson learned from the Sturrock scientific review panel: Pack up your old data and forget it. Ufology needs new data, new cases, new rigorous and scientific methodologies if it hopes ever to get out of its pit." Ed Stewart. Youtube is the last refuge of the ignorant and is more often used for disinformation than genuine research.  There is a REASON for PEER REVIEW... - Chrlzs. Nothing is inexplicable, just unexplained. - Sir Wearer of Hats.


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Posted 01 June 2011 - 04:43 AM

View PostDamrod, on 31 May 2011 - 01:58 PM, said:

Yes, the article is old and somewhat twisted off the original I saw a few years ago.

Hawkings based that presumption on the ecological problems of invasive species into a "non-native" habitat and second on the theory that cro magnon killed off the neanderthal...

from that he extrapolated:

"If" an ET species could make it here, they are more technologically advanced than we are.

"If" they are hostile, there is probably not much we could do about it.

2 very big "if's"  

I don't think he ever "warned"...I think he questioned the wisdom of inviting them for dinner....


Ahh, refreshing to see that some DO read what the person says!

I just do not get why he is not allowed to speculate. Everyone else does it, when he does, people jump on him from all over the place.

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Posted 01 June 2011 - 04:50 AM

View PostPaxus, on 31 May 2011 - 04:27 PM, said:

Absolutely right!
Always irks me when people say that aliens advanced enough to be able to get around the light speed problem would have some sinister reason for attacking us.
Plain and simply - they have no needs when they're that advanced!


The Japanese think that killing Whales to preserve heritage is just fine. Not too many from the rest of the world agree.

Why can a species not find altercation culturally attractive? It might be a sign of strength.


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Or a species that steals technology, and this technique is working for them?

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Or perhaps some type of Reptillian (Much as I hate the ideal due to the likes of Icke) who has an evolutionary grudge against mammals?

I think the Universe and it's possibilities are too large to discount possible cultural adaptions. That is indeed an infinite possibility.

Edited by psyche101, 01 June 2011 - 04:51 AM.

Things are what they are. - Me Reality can't be debunked. That's the beauty of it. - Capeo 'If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.' - Sir Isaac Newton. "Let me repeat the lesson learned from the Sturrock scientific review panel: Pack up your old data and forget it. Ufology needs new data, new cases, new rigorous and scientific methodologies if it hopes ever to get out of its pit." Ed Stewart. Youtube is the last refuge of the ignorant and is more often used for disinformation than genuine research.  There is a REASON for PEER REVIEW... - Chrlzs. Nothing is inexplicable, just unexplained. - Sir Wearer of Hats.


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Posted 01 June 2011 - 03:15 PM

And in saying so When they Land to Eat us all Whatz-ya-gonna Do when they Come for you ! Bad Boys Bad Boys !
But really psyche101 Whats your slant on the facts that we really have no Facts about E.T ?
Its all conjecture and stories !
As for thinking Stephen Hawkings is a wack case One that thinks that has not a clue to His Importance in our Lifes.
On every Level He`s a Trooper and a Mind of the Ages.
It really gets ones Goat when I see some one talk negitive`s abouth Him !

E.T maybe just all in our heads But Life is Out there Every time a Bolt of Lighting Strikes the Ground I think of the Life thats inside its Powerful Discharge !

This is a Work in Progress!

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Posted 01 June 2011 - 07:33 PM

Unfortunately, Hawking is usually right :/

How many speciese from our own planet have we walked over to get what we want? We even kill each other over oil...

Edited by Finity, 01 June 2011 - 07:35 PM.


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Posted 02 June 2011 - 07:01 PM

I have to admit I don't think its a good idea to broadcast Earths whereabouts to the entire universe.  I think some ET's would treat us like we treat animals and sometimes each other.  I've never witnessed a UFO myself but there have been too many people that have claimed sightings for me to say they are all nuts.


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Posted 03 June 2011 - 12:30 AM

Aliens cool. Can't wait :yes:


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Posted 08 June 2011 - 04:44 PM

SETI might be directing signals, but we've been pumping out radio 'pollution' in all directions for over a century.
Like some noisy neighbour over the hill having a loud party.
Be a bit ironic if the first contact we had with an Alien lifeform was a message saying 'can you keep the noise down please'.


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Posted 08 June 2011 - 07:06 PM

Hi all~

This article came through my Google Alerts recently, even though his statement regarding potential malevolent ET life was made about a year or so ago in his short series Into the Universe with Stephen Hawking. At that time, many people (just as is happening again with this article) have taken what he said out of the overall context of that episode.

Also, as has been touched on in this thread previously, the piece is kind of a botch job. The title itself is completely misleading and probably done so purposely. Hawking never said that "UFO sightings warn of an alien invasion," as the title of the article implies (and states).

Now, despite what many may think, the possibility of an advanced malevolent civilization existing, is just that: a possibility -- regardless of how unlikely. We simply have no idea of knowing that all advanced civilizations in the universe reach a level of 'enlightenment' or whatever, thereby becoming peaceful, life-respecting beings.

While it's probable that any visiting ETs would be highly advanced in comparison to our own levels of technology, it isn't impossible that a civilization only slightly more advanced could reach us. Many people assume that if we were contacted, that the visitors would be thousands, if not millions of years ahead of our measly nuclear age. The main argument being that a space-faring peoples would need to find a way around the limitations of the light-speed barrier, and therefore have attained a level of science and technology that far exceeds are own. But what if a civiliation that was a mere few hundred or even a thousand years our senior paid a visit?  Would they have reached 'enlightenment' as a whole at their respective stage and come as beneloent visitors? Maybe. Maybe not. Will we cast away our waring and primitive ways in a few hundred years? Can we safely say that by 3011 that there will be no more war, hate, ruthlesness, and so on? As usual, it's not a simple argument of what we view as right and wrong. Our anthropomorphic tendencies often rule our opinions, often disregarding the possibilities that how we think we should aspire to be as a more mature civilization is not how all extraterrestrial civilizations aspire to be.

But let's assume for the sake of discussion that all mature civilizations do reach a point in which all life is preserved and respected, even to the detriment of their own survival (whatever that might mean to them). How far along the evolutionary and technological scale would you say they'd have to be? 10,000 Earth-years our senior? 500,000? 1,000,000? Is it possible, as I've suggested above, that beings from another world only a few hundred or a thousand years ahead of humanity would still think in terms of militaristic colonization and survival? Yes, of course it's possible. "But how would they get to us if they haven't matured enough to achieve a more efficient form of interstellar travel?" Hell, I don't know. Maybe they detected Earth as a suitable planet for insert_reason_here and left their world thousands of years ago, remaining in a state of hibernation for most of the journey. *shrugs* Who can say for certain?

The point is that though it may seem unlikely, it isn't impossible -- and I think that's kind of where Hawking was coming from when he made his statement. We really don't know squat about potential alien civilizations, their makeup, or their motives -- so maybe we should think about that.

Personally, I don't necessarily believe we should keep 'radio' silence, as some people feel, but I do believe that considering the potential outcomes of broadcasting our existence is a pretty good idea. No one likes to get caught with their pants around their ankles.

Edited by BunnyGirl, 08 June 2011 - 07:22 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2011 - 07:08 PM

View PostBunnyGirl, on 08 June 2011 - 07:06 PM, said:

No one likes to get caught with their pants around their ankles.

Well, almost no one.


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Posted 08 June 2011 - 07:15 PM

well if they are up there and i think they are..i would really like to see them pop up if there friendly we could learn so much from them an they might even learn from us sure they would be advanced but from reports i hear there social skills are lacking somewhat lol..i just hope they wouldn't be like that lot from skyline or the strogg cuz it would be time to fill pants lol...sorry just feelin a lil different today XD


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Posted 09 June 2011 - 01:07 PM

This is old OLD OLDDDD news.

I have always augured against this for many reasons though.





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