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#121    danielost

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 12:13 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 11 March 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

Oh dear would I ever like to see a space elevator instead of rockets. Once installed it would make getting into space so much cheaper.

For putting people into space though we will probably always have to use rockets.  The ascent in such an elevator would take days, during which there would be constant exposure to the Van Allen radiation belts, and adequate shielding would not be possible without making the thing unworkable.

To get this on topic, do you suppose God could make effective shielding that doesn't weigh anything?
Not if we use shielding.  An elevater, could be made strong enough to have shielding on it.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 02:33 AM

Interestingly this question came up on a radio station the other day, I believe the speaker was Allistar Begg a noted Christian minister and speaker. His short answer was that God can do anything that is POSSIBLE to do. That is, God cannot make two connecting mountain peaks with no valley in between, God cannot make a spherical square, but if something IS possible than God can do it. John 1:1 says, "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God", the name given for God/Christ translated as "Word" in English is Logos in the Greek, from which we get our word logic. So in a sense you are asking a Being that is logic to do the illogical and that would be against His nature.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:01 PM

The word was with god ... only logic remained with us ...

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:44 PM

The preacher tells us that God can do anything except that which He can't do.  That's the way it is with me too.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 11:47 PM

Boy this sort of jargon really strengthens my conviction that Christianity is utterly irrational.  Are you guys talking with a straight face?


Boy this sort of jargon really strengthens my conviction that Christianity is utterly irrational.  Are you guys talking with a straight...

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God cannot make a rock too big for Him to move for the same reason He cannot make a square circle.  The question is meaningless babble.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:15 AM

View PostAmon-Ra, on 15 March 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

God cannot make a rock too big for Him to move for the same reason He cannot make a square circle.  The question is meaningless babble.
You might like to think it is, but it isn't.  It penetrates straight to the problem of the existence of God, basically showing logically that one can say there are powerful beings maybe but no God.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:23 PM

maybe ?


still ?

even now ?
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 07:30 AM

not meaningless, it's a creative language thinking game.  I was even asked this and other questions like it on an entrance exam, well more like interview, for college.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 07:52 AM

Self-referential paradoxes are all over the history of philosophy.

"I am a Cretan and all Cretans never tell the truth."

The Apostle Paul heard that and it went right over his head.

Now Cretans are one thing, God is another.  We conclude from the Cretan's statement that something is not right on the island of Crete.  Similar contradictions when applied to God allow a perfectly logical conclusion that God does not exist.  Of course this flies in the face of a lot of established belief, so the hostile and dismissive responses that don't really tackle the issue (because they can't) are not surprising, although a bit disappointing.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:54 PM

View Postbom shankra, on 11 March 2013 - 03:46 AM, said:

I give up... :angry: ! it's off topic anyway :D ...

hey #3i, I knew i shouldn't have backed down with you... now i've got this character "gummug"  - 'like'-ing my the above post (GHRRRRRR!!). Thats rubbing my nose in it!

so, 'Gummug', piece of wisdom for you-

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 11:04 PM

Years ago I asked a room full of very Christian people this classic question. All I learned was that Christians can laugh uncomfortably and avoid a question better than any people I've met.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 12:39 AM

View Postbom shankra, on 19 March 2013 - 10:54 PM, said:

hey #3i, I knew i shouldn't have backed down with you... now i've got this character "gummug"  - 'like'-ing my the above post (GHRRRRRR!!). Thats rubbing my nose in it!

so, 'Gummug', piece of wisdom for you-

I thought I was the one 'backing down'

I practically ran :lol:

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:29 AM

View Postthird_eye, on 15 March 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

The word was with god ... only logic remained with us ...

The ord spoken of in the bible wass jesus.

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I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:36 AM

View Postdanielost, on 20 March 2013 - 01:29 AM, said:

The ord spoken of in the bible wass jesus.

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you got to prove it ...  prove it .......

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:02 AM

View Postbom shankra, on 19 March 2013 - 10:54 PM, said:

hey #3i, I knew i shouldn't have backed down with you... now i've got this character "gummug"  - 'like'-ing my the above post (GHRRRRRR!!). Thats rubbing my nose in it!

so, 'Gummug', piece of wisdom for you-
No, Bom shankra, I wasn't trying to rub your nose in it...really!  It just tickled my funny bone, especially with the smileys. But then, I'm easily amused. Peace to you.
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