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[Mr Right Wing]

Helen of Annoy, on 13 November 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

So you think Breivik was correct in something but wrong about massacring unarmed kids...

Digression: unarmed, Jesus, kids, Christ, couldn’t he storm a mosque full of grown up men and women? There would be at least one person that would manage to keep their presence of mind and whack the psycho over his plastic surgery altered head.
So he went for kids, damn coward that he is.
Kids that might have become politicians? Sure. But what did he know what their political inclination would be later in life? Was he also psychic besides psychotic? Exposure to certain ideology in your youth sometimes results in rabidly contrasted views later in life. Just saying, in case some other idiot like him is reading this.

Back to you.
This what you claim to be correct is not democratic.
The reason why we don’t go around killing people we don’t like is not the democracy but the basic human compassion. Democracy is here today and tomorrow it might be lost, even through pristinely democratic process, due to Breivik fans being more diligent at voting than sane people.
If that happens, you will experience firsthand that what you claim to be correct.  

Great, huh? There’s only one catch. They might not like you. Maybe your eyes won’t be blue enough, maybe you’ll fart during memorial service for Breivik. And then what? Will you die like Fegelein did, praising your führer that had you killed with your last breath? (Happened a lot in communism too, mostly to save your family from further persecution. Didn’t work. Only made you look really stupid to posterity.)

And the most important of all, the massacre Breivik committed was direct consequence of his ideology, his ideology put to practice, not some fringy “oopsy” detail. He didn’t spill a beer while leading a putsch, he killed 77 children.

Stop sugar coating the Breivik turd of ideology.

I hate socialism but I dont think killing its supporters is acceptable. Why?
1. I realise everybody has their own ideas about what is right.
2. I respect everyones right to make their own mind up and Democracy for all.
3. Just as I wouldnt like someone to come eliminate me for being a Conservative I dont think its acceptable eliminating them.
4. I dont have a mental illness such as narcissistic personality disorder where I think I have the right to take others lives.

Brevik has that dangerous mentality where if a guy cuts him off on the road he thinks its acceptable to go fill him full of lead. In essence it isnt ideology that made him do what he did its psychopathy. He has an abnormal way of thinking because most people have empathy towards others. And just for the record if David Cameron tried to establish himself as dictator I would oppose it despite having the same Conservative tendancy.

[Likely Guy]

Mr Right Wing, on 14 November 2012 - 04:45 AM, said:

I hate socialism but I dont think killing its supporters is acceptable. Why?
1. I realise everybody has their own ideas about what is right.
2. I respect everyones right to make their own mind up and Democracy for all.
3. Just as I wouldnt like someone to come eliminate me for being a Conservative I dont think its acceptable eliminating them.
4. I dont have a mental illness such as narcissistic personality disorder where I think I have the right to take others lives.

Brevik has that dangerous mentality where if a guy cuts him off on the road he thinks its acceptable to go fill him full of lead. In essence it isnt ideology that made him do what he did its psychopathy. He has an abnormal way of thinking because most people have empathy towards others.

So, you agree that Breivik was wrong; in his actions, mentality and his motives?

[JGirl]

Gravitorbox, on 14 November 2012 - 03:15 AM, said:

You think I should be supportive of insecure sexual degenerates representing me by protesting in the street half naked like freaks?

no one should.

[JGirl]

yeah about that moisturizer...it's on back order.
geez

[Gravitorbox]

JGirl, on 14 November 2012 - 06:22 AM, said:

no one should.

Well, I agree!

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Gravitorbox, on 14 November 2012 - 03:15 AM, said:

No not really. I think it is quite childish to think hating gay pride = hating gays. In any case, I don't feel the need to be associated with such degenerate crap, so I have a problem with gay pride.

You think I should be supportive of insecure sexual degenerates representing me by protesting in the street half naked like freaks?

Oh, I was referring to Breivik, not you. Though it is all a bit tiresome, i do agree with you.

[Gravitorbox]

747400, on 14 November 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

Oh, I was referring to Breivik, not you. Though it is all a bit tiresome, i do agree with you.

I don't really see any reason to think Breivik really hated gays - generally political extremists are bluntly honest about their views, or at the very least if he was willing to justify violence then I doubt he'd be unwilling to admit he hated homosexuals if he really did.

Edited by Gravitorbox, 14 November 2012 - 09:20 AM.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Gravitorbox, on 14 November 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

I don't really see any reason to think Breivik really hated gays - generally political extremists are bluntly honest about their views, or at the very least if he was willing to justify violence then I doubt he'd be unwilling to admit he hated homosexuals if he really did.

No, perhaps that was one of the lesser things he could be accused of. There were plenty of others, though.

[MarvelAtTheWords]

DieChecker, on 11 November 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

I wonder if Life in Prison for Anders will actually be seen as Punishment and a Deterrent to any future mass murders in Norway?

No. Why should it? It's comfy in our prisons.
He can complain all he wants. He should just be glad he never gets out. He wont live for a week if he does.
I haven't got words for what I feel for him and how I think he SHOULD have been punished. But we don't believe in that kind of stuff in Norway.
******* scumbag!!


So peace & love to you all!  No matter what you did or planning to do :l

[Helen of Annoy]

Mr Right Wing, on 14 November 2012 - 04:45 AM, said:

I hate socialism but I dont think killing its supporters is acceptable. Why?
1. I realise everybody has their own ideas about what is right.
2. I respect everyones right to make their own mind up and Democracy for all.
3. Just as I wouldnt like someone to come eliminate me for being a Conservative I dont think its acceptable eliminating them.
4. I dont have a mental illness such as narcissistic personality disorder where I think I have the right to take others lives.

Brevik has that dangerous mentality where if a guy cuts him off on the road he thinks its acceptable to go fill him full of lead. In essence it isnt ideology that made him do what he did its psychopathy. He has an abnormal way of thinking because most people have empathy towards others. And just for the record if David Cameron tried to establish himself as dictator I would oppose it despite having the same Conservative tendancy.

Breivik obviously does have an abnormal way of thinking, but don’t you think it’s a little creepy to find yourself supporting the same ideology an abnormal thinking guy has produced?


I’m going full Godwin here, but you know who else was abnormal in his head and wrote lengthy manifesto in which he gave his view of ideal society?
The personality difference between Hitler and Breivik is that Hitler was better painter than Breivik.
The historic difference is that Breivik had no patience to wait for the right moment, which makes him even more unwise than Hitler, the avatar of wisdom absence.
Everything else is the same, including their insecurities about their own not-Arian-enough appearance.
From their own supremacist angle, in their own eyes, both were not fit to lead anything but boring lives of not good enough people. And that’s where all that abominable need for control comes from, and out of it, all the destruction.

So how can you approve of intolerant, totalitarian ideology and at the same time claim you don’t approve of its methods?
It’s like saying you approve of short haircuts, but you don’t approve cutting hair.
So, which is it? Short or long? Or you want it short but let someone else do the cutting and you’ll pretend you didn’t know it involves any scissors?
Grow a pair and admit you know exactly what you are supporting. Then grow a brain and stop supporting it, because unlike bad haircut lost life won't grow back.

Edited by Helen of Annoy, 14 November 2012 - 06:04 PM.

[Gravitorbox]

MarvelAtTheWords, on 14 November 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

So how can you approve of intolerant, totalitarian ideology and at the same time claim you don’t approve of its methods?
It’s like saying you approve of short haircuts, but you don’t approve cutting hair.
So, which is it? Short or long? Or you want it short but let someone else do the cutting and you’ll pretend you didn’t know it involves any scissors?

Aren't a lot of ideologies differed from each other by different means of achieving ends?

Also since when does being against cultural marxism, political correctness, white guilt, anti-European bias in our own countries mean you're for mass murder?

Edited by Gravitorbox, 14 November 2012 - 06:54 PM.

[MarvelAtTheWords]

Huh?? I didn't say that ^^
???

Edited by MarvelAtTheWords, 14 November 2012 - 07:42 PM.

[Helen of Annoy]

I did Was wondering too how the hell that happened to Gravitor. Shaky hands?

Gravitorbox, on 14 November 2012 - 06:52 PM, said:

Aren't a lot of ideologies differed from each other by different means of achieving ends?

Why was this quote from my post signed by MarvelATW?
Just my morbid curiosity at work, if it was accidentally, don’t bother with answering.

Exactly, they are. That’s why I don’t approve of totalitarian ideologies, because I don’t approve of their methods. You may insist the iron fist was clad in velvet, but once it hits you over the head you’ll notice it felt more irony than velvety. (Great for role-playing once a week, horrible for real life forever.)

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Also since when does being against cultural marxism, political correctness, white guilt, anti-European bias in our own countries mean you're for mass murder?

Do not pull that crap on me, you might have noticed I do not agree to play “no one will notice fallacy” game.
Claiming the manifesto of some guy was correct and overseeing the fact that he killed 77 unarmed children, refusing the possibility there could be some link between the ideas he proposes and said massacre is – mildly put – not a sign of intelligence.
Do you wish to leave impression of not so bright person?

Now, the cultural Marxism is something people discuss on Berkley when the pot stash is low, I guess, and it’s not relevant to anything in Europe. Because Marxism and multiculturalism are and never were the same. Do not use a wrong term just because it sounds scary.
Multikulti. Why is it bad? Or why it’s not bad? Depends how much is your government addictive of petro dollars. I kid you not. Immigrants themselves are not the problem, government blessed financing of extremism is. Cut finances, you’ve cut the extremism. Immigrants will work and shut up, just how you like it, because criticism scares the **** out of you (see insecurity issues I mentioned in my post above).
Political correctness and white guilt. Both may kiss my ass, whiter than yours. We, true Europeans, don’t trust any American to be fully white. How that felt? Get used to it, if Breivik-likes come to power, this will be the official stance. Distrust towards anyone possibly tainted. That includes West Europe, known for its fornications throughout the centuries... I could go on like this until there’s whole manifesto here, you know. It’s a no-brainer.
Anti-European bias, see multikulti paragraph. It’s something your politicians do, and they didn’t fall down from Mars. They are your representatives. Which means average citizen is corrupted, not so bright *insert euphemism of your own choice* that will sell his heritage for more reality TV and new car.
Ew.
The solution? Definitely not killing unarmed children or treating immigrants like cattle. The solution is that each and every one of you, endangered species, starts behaving responsible. Bring the values back, but you don’t need Breivik to tell you what the values are. You don’t need a lunatic with hots for Hitler in power.
You need to realize it’s not immigrants but you.
You agree to all the crap that has went wrong and you are satisfied with excuses (immigrants shat my place up) instead of solutions: change your own stance and life and it will spread. Not overnight, but it will.
I see greed and ruthlessness spreading with no problem, destroying good traditions and viability of once almost civilized world. Change back to existence with purpose and sense is possible too. I will change as much as I can, in my microsphere, and even if it doesn’t work, at least I’ll die with clear conscience.  
I owe that much to you, people who can’t tell the difference between recreational role-playing ideas from actual totalitarian hell.
Go burn a book, or 77 of them, to get the taste of what you invoke.

Edited by Helen of Annoy, 14 November 2012 - 07:53 PM.

[Mr Right Wing]

Helen of Annoy, on 14 November 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

1. Breivik obviously does have an abnormal way of thinking, but don’t you think it’s a little creepy to find yourself supporting the same ideology an abnormal thinking guy has produced?
2. I’m going full Godwin here, but you know who else was abnormal in his head and wrote lengthy manifesto in which he gave his view of ideal society? The personality difference between Hitler and Breivik is that Hitler was better painter than Breivik.
3. The historic difference is that Breivik had no patience to wait for the right moment, which makes him even more unwise than Hitler, the avatar of wisdom absence.
4. Everything else is the same, including their insecurities about their own not-Arian-enough appearance.
5. From their own supremacist angle, in their own eyes, both were not fit to lead anything but boring lives of not good enough people. And that’s where all that abominable need for control comes from, and out of it, all the destruction.
6. So how can you approve of intolerant, totalitarian ideology and at the same time claim you don’t approve of its methods? It’s like saying you approve of short haircuts, but you don’t approve cutting hair.
7. So, which is it? Short or long? Or you want it short but let someone else do the cutting and you’ll pretend you didn’t know it involves any scissors?
8. Grow a pair and admit you know exactly what you are supporting. Then grow a brain and stop supporting it, because unlike bad haircut lost life won't grow back.

1. You think there is something wrong with Conservative ideology? If so I hate to point it out to you but millions of people in this country are Conservative supporters.
2. I can list left-wing nutters too like Stalin and Pol-Pot. Shall we now call those who vote for the Labour Party creepy?
3. The problem is the cogs dont go around in Breviks head the same way as a normal person. Its called Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
4. Do we actually have any factual evidence that Brevik had surgery or is it just media fiction? There is nothing in historical record to suggest Hitler had any issues with being Alpine in appearance instead of Nordic so you're speculating.
5. Bearing in mind Germany successfully invaded 11 nations nearly toppling both Britain and Russia I wouldnt call Hilter incompetant. Again you're speculating on Hitlers motives. Read Mein Kampf and you'll dicover he was totally Jingoistic and hated the mess Germany was in.
6. So because I'm a Conservative I'm secretly plotting to open Concentration Camps and come eliminate lots of people Nazi style? How fantastically delusional and paranoid.
7. I thought you'd already figured that one out. Afterall if I believe in right-wing politics I must surely have a skinhead haircut, nazi tatoos all over my body and wander about with my arm in the air lol.
8. I'm Eurosceptic and I'm against immigration. I always have been and I always will be. If you equate those things with Nazism then its you with the problem.

[Mr Right Wing]

Likely Guy, on 14 November 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

So, you agree that Breivik was wrong; in his actions, mentality and his motives?

Obviously as the cogs in my head go around properly.