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#31    Beckys_Mom

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:15 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 26 January 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

Vigilantism and vengeance is actively seeking out criminals and taking the law into your own hands. Thats a big difference from home and self defense where the criminal has sought you out.

100% correct you are .. They are not the same..   Self defence is nothing like vigilantism... Anyone who thinks so, has not thought it through and fails to understand the meaning of both terms .. If for example, you are out in the park, and someone attacks you, and you are able to protect yourself, you fight back to defend yourself...If you are able to defend yourself, then it is not logical to stand there like a clampet and take it.. You have to fight back or get seriously hurt or worse off..   

Same for your rights to protect yourself in your own home.. IF you have the means to do it.( IE your gun ) . then act fast and do it.. There is no time for fannying around if a violent criminal is there to get you, and even your family,  and calling the police may not save your butt on time..( Police are known to turn up late ) . You take your gun and you act as fast as you can..   This  is NOT vigilantism, it is self defence..  If you own the rights, then make use of them if you can and are able..

There is no way on earth I would fanny around if my life and kids were in danger..I have quickly acted before when I felt my kid was in danger, and I would do it again..

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:24 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 26 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

Thankyou, an answer to my question from a person who knows.
As you point out, you need guns, we do not.

Your welcome. And for now...right, you don't need guns that bad to defend yourselves, but for how long? At some point, maybe in your great grandchidren's lifetime, that may change. Although I can't see how the population over in England could rise to our numbers, I do see if your population gets near a 100 million +, you could end up changing you gun restriction laws in a heartbeat; the same goes for Australia.

As a American, I envy you (England) and Austraila, when it comes to keeping your gun violence to a minimum and the need without guns. You've got something good there and you have the right conditions to make it happen. (We don't...that's what some of us are trying to get you to understand.) But I think it's because of your low population rates, when that changes overtime and grows, I think all of you will really begin to see and understand why we are so pro-gun over here in the U.S. All it takes is one of your conditions (like population increase) over there to change and the nongun Utopia idea will slowly or quickly diminish. But I hope you guys can keep it up for as long as you can, just know nothing lasts forever.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:45 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 26 January 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

100% correct you are .. They are not the same..   Self defence is nothing like vigilantism... Anyone who thinks so, has not thought it through and fails to understand the meaning of both terms .. If for example, you are out in the park, and someone attacks you, and you are able to protect yourself, you fight back to defend yourself...If you are able to defend yourself, then it is not logical to stand there like a clampet and take it.. You have to fight back or get seriously hurt or worse off..   

Same for your rights to protect yourself in your own home.. IF you have the means to do it.( IE your gun ) . then act fast and do it.. There is no time for fannying around if a violent criminal is there to get you, and even your family,  and calling the police may not save your butt on time..( Police are known to turn up late ) . You take your gun and you act as fast as you can..   This  is NOT vigilantism, it is self defence..  If you own the rights, then make use of them if you can and are able..

There is no way on earth I would fanny around if my life and kids were in danger..I have quickly acted before when I felt my kid was in danger, and I would do it again..

Exactly. But in all serious, we are seriously lacking the knowledge of what words mean now-a-days. I think we should be teaching what the constitution means in schools, plus help students have better understand of what words in the dictionary mean. Ignorance isn't a excuse to ignore the problems that are happening today, it is more a incentive to actually research and try to understand the problem better before you act upon the need. That is where so many people go wrong in the present. Someone once said, "The path to hell is paved in good intentions." Can't remember who said that.

Edited by Uncle Sam, 26 January 2013 - 10:50 PM.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:57 PM

View PostUncle Sam, on 26 January 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

Exactly. But in all serious, we are seriously lacking the knowledge of what words mean now-a-days. I think we should be teaching what the constitution means in schools, plus help students have better understand of what words in the dictionary mean. Ignorance isn't a excuse to ignore the problems that are happening today, it is more a incentive to actually research and try to understand the problem better before you act upon the need. That is where so many people go wrong in the present. Someone once said, "The path to hell is paved in good intentions." Can't remember who said that.

I thought they taught you all about the constitution at your schools?

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:59 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 26 January 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

I thought they taught you all about the constitution at your schools?

Not really they just teach you when it was made, who made it, why it was made. But they don't teach you what it means and why we need it.

P.S. Is it just me or am I really gaining lots of respect?

Edited by Uncle Sam, 26 January 2013 - 11:03 PM.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:04 PM

View PostUncle Sam, on 26 January 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:

Not really they just teach you when it was made, who made it, why it was made. But they don't teach you what it means and why we need it.

I agree with you that all of it should be taught including WHY they need it... If I lived there, I would teach my own kids the importance of it ....

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:05 PM

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I agree with you that all of it should be taught including WHY they need it... If I lived there, I would teach my own kids the importance of it ....

People need to seriously be proactive in this department if the government is unwilling to teach our children the importance of the constitution. It feels like the government is trying to make it out to be a unimportant document, a relic of the past, which it really isn't at all. It is just as valuable as it was the day they sign it.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:34 AM

View PostUncle Sam, on 26 January 2013 - 11:05 PM, said:


People need to seriously be proactive in this department if the government is unwilling to teach our children the importance of the constitution. It feels like the government is trying to make it out to be a unimportant document, a relic of the past, which it really isn't at all. It is just as valuable as it was the day they sign it.

In many years to come, it could get worse   If what you say is true, and kids are not being taught the importance of the constitution ..Later on in life as they get older, they look at it and see it as nothing more than a piece of paper..they can wind up doing away with it and replacing it with something  else..

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:47 AM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 27 January 2013 - 12:34 AM, said:

In many years to come, it could get worse   If what you say is true, and kids are not being taught the importance of the constitution ..Later on in life as they get older, they look at it and see it as nothing more than a piece of paper..they can wind up doing away with it and replacing it with something  else..

That is what I am afraid of... I am not only looking out for now, I am looking out for future generations.

Edited by Uncle Sam, 27 January 2013 - 01:02 AM.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 05:15 AM

View Postquestionmark, on 26 January 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

It sounds to me like the good Sheriff is announcing something like:"My dear fellow citizens, thanks to a bunch of tightwads and over indebted, not being able to afford more, civilization has been defeated. Expect some lynching justice near you soon."

Despite the intentional bending of words in your post, I'm sure you're intelligent enough to understand the Sheriff does not have enough resources and realistically understands people should be able to defend themselves. A criminal breaking into a house and a boy defending his sister with a gun, or a mother defending her children with a gun do not equate to "lynching justice", as you would so eloquently put it.

But rather, self-defense against a criminal who has forcefully imposed himself upon the the property of another.

Or a criminal who would recklessly infringe upon another's rights.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 05:55 AM

View PostEonwe, on 27 January 2013 - 05:15 AM, said:

Despite the intentional bending of words in your post, I'm sure you're intelligent enough to understand the Sheriff does not have enough resources and realistically understands people should be able to defend themselves. A criminal breaking into a house and a boy defending his sister with a gun, or a mother defending her children with a gun do not equate to "lynching justice", as you would so eloquently put it.

But rather, self-defense against a criminal who has forcefully imposed himself upon the the property of another.

Or a criminal who would recklessly infringe upon another's rights.

That is exactly right. You are getting a firm grasp of the constitution and our right to bare arms. Glad some people are learning from the discussions being held instead of being stubborn and ignorant, not willing to learn or try to understand.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 05:57 AM

My personal reading goal currently is to read the background history of each of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and the the Constitution. Ill say Patrick Henry earned his signatory rights by putting in work for the People.

But yeah thats just me...Carry on...

Way to go Sherriff !! :tu:


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 06:24 AM

View PostUncle Sam, on 27 January 2013 - 05:55 AM, said:

That is exactly right. You are getting a firm grasp of the constitution and our right to bare arms. Glad some people are learning from the discussions being held instead of being stubborn and ignorant, not willing to learn or try to understand.

Coming from a military family, I already have a firm grasp of its designs and purposes.

But thank you for your support on my post. I appreciate the positive feedback, nonetheless.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 11:29 AM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 26 January 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

I agree with you that all of it should be taught including WHY they need it... If I lived there, I would teach my own kids the importance of it ....

I have conversations with my 7 year old all the time about our history. When I went to school we had a history teacher who was big on teaching the founding documents. Even had us memorize and resite the first couple paragraphs of the declaration of independance. Which I still know today. but it wasnt long after that a liberal agenda began to take over our schools, and the kids are definitly not being taught American history the way they should.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:02 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 27 January 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

I have conversations with my 7 year old all the time about our history. When I went to school we had a history teacher who was big on teaching the founding documents. Even had us memorize and resite the first couple paragraphs of the declaration of independance. Which I still know today. but it wasnt long after that a liberal agenda began to take over our schools, and the kids are definitly not being taught American history the way they should.

It is only right to reach your kids the true importance of it...When you say a liberal agenda, what do you mean?  Why did they stop teaching it in its proper sense?

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