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#16    aztek

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:50 PM

View PostThanato, on 04 April 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

1.Real world proves the guy with the biggest stick is King. 2.Your facts are only apparent in the United States.
1 yes it does.2 and that is all that matters, what it comes to situation in USA.doesn't matter what happens in other countries, we are not other countries.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:12 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 04 April 2013 - 12:27 AM, said:

I'm sure the effects of the law will work against crime but I have to disagree with forcing people to own one.
Although I read that it won't be enforced and no penalties will be implemented for failure to comply. But criminals beware nonetheless.

Exactly...criminals assume everyone has one.


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:26 PM

Seriously, Thanato...when your media focuses more on what happens in the US than the crimes that are commited in Canada, you have the nerve to talk about our media? The majority of crimes in the US are commited by gang members, but your media barely mentions anything but high profile cases in Canada.

Like you said about our news media scaring us, your media makes you complacent into thinking "it doesn't happen here". Out of sight out of mind, as the saying goes.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:27 PM

View PostMichelle, on 04 April 2013 - 09:26 PM, said:

Seriously, Thanato...when your media focuses more on what happens in the US than the crimes that are commited in Canada, you have the nerve to talk about our media? The majority of crimes in the US are commited by gang members, but your media barely mentions anything but high profile cases in Canada.

Like you said about our news media scaring us, your media makes you complacent into thinking "it doesn't happen here". Out of sight out of mind, as the saying goes.

Actually our news does focus on Canadian issues, such as the Gang related shooting at the Yorkdale Mall in Toronto a few days back. Or that the city I moved from had 50 some odd Mac's Store (Convenience Store Chain) robberies in about 4 months. Or that a few months back there was a murder in my home town (a town of 2600 people). A 7.62x39mm Round snapped past my head, so I know what it's like to be shot at, I know what it's like to carry a gun 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

I'm just not afraid to walk down the street. I don't need to be armed with a firearm in my home, or when I go out. I don't feel scared of everyone.

Does this mean I am anti-gun? Nope, I am just waiting for my license so I can purchase a rifle. I am pro gun control.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:13 PM

View PostThanato, on 04 April 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:



Actually our news does focus on Canadian issues, such as the Gang related shooting at the Yorkdale Mall in Toronto a few days back. Or that the city I moved from had 50 some odd Mac's Store (Convenience Store Chain) robberies in about 4 months. Or that a few months back there was a murder in my home town (a town of 2600 people). A 7.62x39mm Round snapped past my head, so I know what it's like to be shot at, I know what it's like to carry a gun 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

I'm just not afraid to walk down the street. I don't need to be armed with a firearm in my home, or when I go out. I don't feel scared of everyone.

Does this mean I am anti-gun? Nope, I am just waiting for my license so I can purchase a rifle. I am pro gun control.

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In most places no one is or should be afraid to walk down the street without a gun. It's when you get close to the city you should be cautious. The reason is because of all the numbskull criminals, gang bangers and wannabe's that have guns there. You know, the same people who will have guns with or without gun control. You know another thing? We have plenty of gun control laws already. What's one more gonna do? The more control implemented leads to more in the hands of those who live outside the realms of control. Your view of America is wrong. Our media and elected officials are misinforming you. I've lived here for 33 years and have never once witnessed a shooting or seen anyone brandish a gun on someone else. I've been within the vicinity of a few shooting but that's when I lived in an urban neighborhood and those were all from gangs and punks like the 15 year old who shot an Indian small store owner. He waited for the guy to open up the store at nine in the morning and shot him in the head outside the store and stole $50 in cash from his person. The reason? The store owner kicked him out of the store the day before for stealing. Too bad the store owner didn't have a gun. The kid should be dead instead. He's probably out on the streets already.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:22 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 04 April 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:

In most places no one is or should be afraid to walk down the street without a gun. It's when you get close to the city you should be cautious. The reason is because of all the numbskull criminals, gang bangers and wannabe's that have guns there. You know, the same people who will have guns with or without gun control. You know another thing? We have plenty of gun control laws already. What's one more gonna do? The more control implemented leads to more in the hands of those who live outside the realms of control. Your view of America is wrong. Our media and elected officials are misinforming you. I've lived here for 33 years and have never once witnessed a shooting or seen anyone brandish a gun on someone else. I've been within the vicinity of a few shooting but that's when I lived in an urban neighborhood and those were all from gangs and punks like the 15 year old who shot an Indian small store owner. He waited for the guy to open up the store at nine in the morning and shot him in the head outside the store and stole $50 in cash from his person. The reason? The store owner kicked him out of the store the day before for stealing. Too bad the store owner didn't have a gun. The kid should be dead instead. He's probably out on the streets already.

Well why do you think there are a number of Gangbangers on the streets? Why the increase of criminal activity? I honestly see it as a symptom of a much larger social ill of the United States, which if not cured will continue to erode at the Cities of the US.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:48 PM

View PostThanato, on 04 April 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:



Well why do you think there are a number of Gangbangers on the streets? Why the increase of criminal activity? I honestly see it as a symptom of a much larger social ill of the United States, which if not cured will continue to erode at the Cities of the US.
It begins with parents and family upbringing. If broken family units weren't financially encouraged by the government then maybe less women would sleep around and more men would stick around. Yes its true that there are many many women are taught to have kids solely for the federal benefits. I understand the issue better than I can explain it but upbringing is one thing and work ethic is another. Hell, a slight desire to work would be a start.
On the other end of the spectrum some people are just plain messed up and no amount of laws or cures will ever solve that. It's a human issue, not an American one.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:44 AM

View Postpraetorian-legio XIII, on 03 April 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

This must really p*** off anti-gun advocates

http://www.thenewame...lent-crime-down


Now consider Chicago with the most severe gun control laws in the country and the highest violent crime rate.

I believe St. Louis has the highest violent crime rate and Missouri is a conceal carry state with very little gun control.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:45 AM

View PostMiskatonicGrad, on 04 April 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

So are you suggesting if we give up our guns the criminals will also? :w00t:

As too why crime is so high that's freaking simple. they do it because they know they can get away with it and if they do get caught the worst they face is three hots, a cot, free cable, free gym, free clothes, free school, and a free shrink to tell them they are a product of their enviroment and not a bad person.

No, but in countries with heavy gun control there is very little gun crime because guns are prohibitively expensive.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:13 AM

View Postaztek, on 04 April 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

actually it is very clear, and your facts prove it. all very logical actually.]
since florida enacted SYG law ppl are not afraid to use their legal guns, to protect themselves from attacs, they are not afraid of legal problems they would otherwise face, so they kill those that try to rob\rape\assult them. nothing wrong with shootings as long as right people get shot. that is why you see more homicides using guns. (too bad they call any murder himicide, even justified shootings. or may be it is not convinient for gun hatters"crime figters" to reveal details)
if legal system can't prevent attacs on ppl, and police can't protect people everytime\anywhere, it is a crime not to let ppl protect themselves. and florida realised it, and it shows that it works. so yea, good for floridians.

I'm not expressing any opinion on the rights and wrongs of private gun ownership. The point I made was that statistics like these can be used to bolster both sides of the argument. Your comment is a good example of that. You clearly support the right of civilians to carry firearms, and you naturally gravitate to the explanation which best supports your view. And you may well be right. To strengthen your argument you also speculate as to how many of these 'homicides' are people lawfully defending themselves, and assume this to be a major factor in those figures. That's just speculation - possibly true, but speculation nevertheless.

As I understand it there is no powerful evidence that would suggest a clear relationship between gun ownership and crime. People will see what they want to see. But then I've often thought the problem with American gun crime has little to do with anyone's right to bear arms. Even without access to guns, I suspect that Americans would still murder each other at a rate two to three times that of comparable countries.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 08:58 PM

View PostFurthurBB, on 05 April 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:


I believe St. Louis has the highest violent crime rate and Missouri is a conceal carry state with very little gun control.

Thanks for the info, I will definitly check it out. As far as chicago, I just wanted to make the comparision between a gun control center and a concealed carry permit area.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 09:17 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 04 April 2013 - 11:48 PM, said:

It begins with parents and family upbringing. If broken family units weren't financially encouraged by the government then maybe less women would sleep around and more men would stick around. Yes its true that there are many many women are taught to have kids solely for the federal benefits. I understand the issue better than I can explain it but upbringing is one thing and work ethic is another. Hell, a slight desire to work would be a start.
On the other end of the spectrum some people are just plain messed up and no amount of laws or cures will ever solve that. It's a human issue, not an American one.

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Ya know its funny, how these type of people are the biggest Obama supporters. They have kids just so they can get more food stamps, and welfare, and child support money, most likely do crack, and these kids grow up into hoodlums....Maybe CPS should focus on taking THEIR kids....but, their Obama supporters, and a minority so that's okay....


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 09:23 PM

View PostKowalski, on 08 April 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

They have kids just so they can get more food stamps, and welfare, and child support money

I actually quit Big Brothers Big Sisters over this. I couldn't stomach seeing the kid's mom rape the system like that just to rake in free money. She'd get pregnant for that reason alone. She was always trying to pawn off the other six kids on me when I'd come to pick up my little.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 09:25 PM

View PostKowalski, on 08 April 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

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Ya know its funny, how these type of people are the biggest Obama supporters. They have kids just so they can get more food stamps, and welfare, and child support money, most likely do crack, and these kids grow up into hoodlums....Maybe CPS should focus on taking THEIR kids....but, their Obama supporters, and a minority so that's okay....
Yea but it's a double edged sword. Confiscate the kids and they become state property that you have to pay for anyways and unless the kids were taken at a very early age, like under five maybe, they're gonna end up messed up no matter what family takes them in.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 09:26 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 08 April 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

I actually quit Big Brothers Big Sisters over this. I couldn't stomach seeing the kid's mom rape the system like that just to rake in free money. She'd get pregnant for that reason alone. She was always trying to pawn off the other six kids on me when I'd come to pick up my little.
Wow really? I have never considered that. So big brothers is a volunteer surrogate dad/babysitter program? To some mothers I mean...

Edited by -Mr_Fess-, 08 April 2013 - 09:26 PM.

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