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#1    JanJan

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Posted 21 November 2009 - 05:31 AM

Can someone give me reasonings together with sources can be used to discredit 2012 ?

Im reading through posts myself but thought it would be wise to gather opinions like this.

Thanks everyone


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Posted 21 November 2009 - 05:52 AM

View PostJanJan, on 21 November 2009 - 05:31 AM, said:

Can someone give me reasonings together with sources can be used to discredit 2012 ?

Im reading through posts myself but thought it would be wise to gather opinions like this.

Thanks everyone
every time people have thought the world was going to end it hasn't, for example in the 1980's a bunch of people thought jesus would return to earth and lead his followers away in rapture, so they sold all their earthly belongings and went out to stand on a hill to wait for jesus. jesus never came, and they were left standing on a hill, with nothing in the world, waiting for a god that never showed up. every mass suicide has been the same, a bunch of nutcases expecting the world to end, and it never does, plus there's another thread on here that mentions the myan calender not ending in 2012 but actually in 2220. I personaly know someone of myan descent who is very knowledgeable of his heritage. He does not think the world is going to end. and there is the fact that they made a movie about it, that alone should prove that it wont happen

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Posted 21 November 2009 - 06:00 AM

View PostJanJan, on 21 November 2009 - 05:31 AM, said:

Can someone give me reasonings together with sources can be used to discredit 2012 ?

Im reading through posts myself but thought it would be wise to gather opinions like this.

Thanks everyone
Well I'm sure people who have been following this whole hooplah more closely will have a more detailed response, but in brief I think it goes something like this:
  • The Mayan `long count' calendar ends in 2012 because they ran out of room on their temple walls.
  • Even if the Mayans DID predict bad things in 2012 (which they didn't), how come they could predict bad things 1500 years into the future but they couldn't foresee their own collapse in less than 100 years?
  • No other ancient (and presumably, `wise'?) culture has said anything interesting about 2012.
  • People have been predicting the end of the world for ages. It hasn't happened yet. Or even come close.
  • All of the supposed astronomical reasons for doom and destruction in 2012 are completely without any basis.
  • All of the supposed mystical reasons for doom and destruction in 2012 are just as fictitious as most mysticism (if not more so).

Some less scientific reasons why 2012 isn't anything to worry about
  • The LHC will start up before then anyway.
  • The movie `2012' stars John Cusack.
  • Obama won't be signed into his 2nd term until Jan. 2013.

Did I miss any?


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Posted 21 November 2009 - 06:34 AM

http://news.national...orld-myths.html

I found that to be very informative (actually stole it from other thread  :P ) but i need more opinions from fellow members.
And I dO need sources behind them

and, what did the media do to spread the fear ? (movies like Knowing, 2012, ....) any propaganda ?

Edited by JanJan, 21 November 2009 - 06:40 AM.


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Posted 23 November 2009 - 04:30 AM

anyone please?


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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:59 AM

View PostJanJan, on 23 November 2009 - 04:30 AM, said:

anyone please?

wel, here are a few I like to use :
National Geographic
Nasa scientist
An astronomer
2012 FAQ from the official NASA website

There that should help you a bit.

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 08:16 AM

Does winter solstice has anything to do with John Major Jenkins's theory of Solstice/Galatic Centre Conjunction ? (the alignment will happen when Winter Solstice come or sth ? )

http://www.diagnosis...njunct  (scroll down to 5 or simply click 5)


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Posted 30 November 2009 - 08:46 PM

Sepulchrave has very well put. My personal logics where is the proof of solar planets and galactic alignment, and mathematical calculation of gravitational pull.


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Posted 01 December 2009 - 05:22 AM

thanks all for all your input.

im currently looking for major people that supports the doomsday like John Major Jenkins, Nancy Lieder, Mark Hazlewood... besides them is there anyone or anything (government, movies,...) that also help spreading the fear ?


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Posted 01 December 2009 - 05:32 AM

The simple answer is that nothing points to the end of the world in 2012 but myth and conjecture and the massive amount of disinformation. Nothing in main stream science and that does not meen a secret group of sientists but 99% can say the end will happen in 2012 none. Guess sure, the super volcanoe could blow in 2012 but again a guess. Nothing proves anything differnt in 2012 pose to 2025 or what have you.

The end of something happens in 2012 but that only if Sarah Palin runs and wins the presidency LOL

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Posted 01 December 2009 - 07:40 AM

thanks im just writing a paper and just want to know different views on the topic...

inputs are much appreciated :)


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Posted 01 December 2009 - 04:46 PM

Try this other UM topic.  2012 not the end of the long count  It shows that the Mayan long count ending in 2012 is in error and that it actually doesn't end for another 208 years.





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