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[skookum]

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The UK Independence Party has surged to a record poll rating, knocking the Liberal Democrats into fourth place.

http://news.sky.com/...d-largest-party

How long can Cameron, Clegg and Miliband ignore the growing unpopularity of the UK's membership of the EU?

Edited by skookum, 16 December 2012 - 03:54 PM.

[TheLastLazyGun]

skookum, on 16 December 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

http://news.sky.com/...d-largest-party

How long can Cameron, Clegg and Miliband ignore the growing unpopularity of the UK's membership of the EU?

Clegg can ignore it because UKIP are now bigger than his party already.  It's too late for the pro-EU LibDumbs.  His party are now dead.

The only way Cameron can stop UKIP becoming more popular by taking votes from his party - because that is mainly what's happening - is to give the British people the EU in/out referendum that most of them want by the 2015 General Election.  If he does that the Tories will win that election.  If he doesn't then UKIP's rise will only accelerate and the Tories will lose voters to them.

The best thing for the Tories to do is to give us the referendum - and to do so soon - so we can vote to leave the EU (which polls say would happen in such a referendum).  This will stop the rise of UKIP and ensure the Tories win the next election.

Anyway, this is good news that UKIP are now Britain's third party, especially with them having pushed a Lefty Liberal party into non-entity status.  This just reflects the fact that the British public are, in the main, at the centre-right of politics.

I also remember having an argument with someone in another thread in this section because they were trying to tell me that there isn't enough proof of my claim that UKIP are now the UK's third party.  I think these polls have provided that proof.

These are going to be dark days indeed for British europhiles.

Edited by TheLastLazyGun, 16 December 2012 - 04:07 PM.

[Coffey]

Makes me laugh how so many people want the UK to not be a part of the EU. Yet it's one step closer to bringing the world together. Making it closer to peace.

It's like I cna't understand for the life of me why people want Scottish independace from the UK. I'm Scottish and think it's a stupid idea.

[stevewinn]

its good news UKIP have in a very short time become noticed in British politics. but they still have a long, long way to go, they still have no elected MP's but do have 12 MEP's but i have a feeling it wont be long before we see a UKIP Member of parliament. i can see a few defectors from the Tory party crossing over. what UKIP needs is some Tory heavyweights to defect.

[TheLastLazyGun]

I think we'll see the first UKIP MP in 2015, especially if no referendum is forthcoming.

[ealdwita]

The greatest danger is that UKIP will split the Tory vote and give the 'Balls and Milliband Flying Circus' another chance to spend all the money we haven't got!

Edited by ealdwita, 16 December 2012 - 05:50 PM.

[Mr Right Wing]

TheLastLazyGun, on 16 December 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

Clegg can ignore it because UKIP are now bigger than his party already.  It's too late for the pro-EU LibDumbs.  His party are now dead.

The only way Cameron can stop UKIP becoming more popular by taking votes from his party - because that is mainly what's happening - is to give the British people the EU in/out referendum that most of them want by the 2015 General Election.  If he does that the Tories will win that election.  If he doesn't then UKIP's rise will only accelerate and the Tories will lose voters to them.

The best thing for the Tories to do is to give us the referendum - and to do so soon - so we can vote to leave the EU (which polls say would happen in such a referendum).  This will stop the rise of UKIP and ensure the Tories win the next election.

Anyway, this is good news that UKIP are now Britain's third party, especially with them having pushed a Lefty Liberal party into non-entity status.  This just reflects the fact that the British public are, in the main, at the centre-right of politics.

I also remember having an argument with someone in another thread in this section because they were trying to tell me that there isn't enough proof of my claim that UKIP are now the UK's third party.  I think these polls have provided that proof.

These are going to be dark days indeed for British europhiles.

UKIP arent big enough to contest every seat they still have growth to do.

If they contested every seat at the next election they would have a landslide majority.

[shadowhive]

skookum, on 16 December 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

http://news.sky.com/...d-largest-party

How long can Cameron, Clegg and Miliband ignore the growing unpopularity of the UK's membership of the EU?

The problem with Ukip is that they are, very much, a one issue party. Everything seems to be about the EU, or because or the EU to them. They seem to think the EU is making us do this, or not doing that, even when that's not the case at all. If they want to be taken seriously they have to do more than just bleat about the EU because, seriously, there's much more issues than the EU and getting us out of it isn't some 'magic bullet' that's going to solve every single issue.

[spud the mackem]

Rule Brittania !!! yer well at the moment its Brussels Rules Brittania.Its time we sorted the Euro's out,politically I mean, we Brits want home rule.

[Emma_Acid]

ealdwita, on 16 December 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

The greatest danger is that UKIP will split the Tory vote and give the 'Balls and Milliband Flying Circus' another chance to spend all the money we haven't got!

Yeah, because the Tories are doing *great* with the economy the moment.

Edited by Emma_Acid, 17 December 2012 - 01:24 AM.

[skookum]

Emma_Acid, on 17 December 2012 - 01:24 AM, said:

Yeah, because the Tories are doing *great* with the economy the moment.

Yeah but we can't get away from who made the mess 12 years of Labour borrowing £4 for every £5 they spent.  

According to the polls it looks inevitable that we will end up with another Labour government. If they pick up were the last Labour Government left off, as Balls has indicated,  I dread to think what mess the country will be left in.

Edited by skookum, 17 December 2012 - 12:04 PM.

[Mr Right Wing]

shadowhive, on 16 December 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

The problem with Ukip is that they are, very much, a one issue party. Everything seems to be about the EU, or because or the EU to them. They seem to think the EU is making us do this, or not doing that, even when that's not the case at all. If they want to be taken seriously they have to do more than just bleat about the EU because, seriously, there's much more issues than the EU and getting us out of it isn't some 'magic bullet' that's going to solve every single issue.

Its ironic that the only party offering every policy which the British public wants cant get elected because its a PR disaster (BNP). That leaves us with UKIP who are scared of being anti-immigration or the Conservatives who wont do anything unless they have too.

Of course what will happen is that as UKIP become a threat the Conservatives will pull the rug out from under them by having an EU referendum. A nice strategic move but why do they only act when they have too?

[ealdwita]

Guido Fawkes.......Where are you when you're needed?

[The New Richard Nixon]

When I think of UKIP i think of Morrisons

[ExpandMyMind]

skookum, on 17 December 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

Yeah but we can't get away from who made the mess 12 years of Labour borrowing £4 for every £5 they spent.  

According to the polls it looks inevitable that we will end up with another Labour government. If they pick up were the last Labour Government left off, as Balls has indicated,  I dread to think what mess the country will be left in.

I don't doubt that 'Labour' have the majority of blame to shoulder, but it was conservatives who de-regulated the banks, giving them the power to behave in the way they did. That's the real reason the economy is in the toilet.

It wouldn't have made much of a difference to our economy either way. All parties in our government are there to serve the elites, regardless of who is in charge.