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Are we the earliest intelligent species ?


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#46    Ninhursag

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:05 PM

What, in the whole universe? No way.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:36 PM

Does an egocentric mind even entertain the idea of intelligence other than theirself?


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:42 PM

There is a supreme arrogance in believing you are the only, or first, intelligent being in the WHOLEEEEE universe. Kind've like the arrogance of believing you were created by accident. But that's another topic..


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:31 PM

View PostBeastly Decimal, on 11 October 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

There is a supreme arrogance in believing you are the only, or first, intelligent being in the WHOLEEEEE universe. Kind've like the arrogance of believing you were created by accident. But that's another topic..

Wouldn't the arrogance be associated with being created by a 'creator' rather than life forming by accident?

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:54 PM

This is a really stupid question.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:01 PM

i agree with you mxcx :D ..


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:20 PM

I find it amusing how people point out how young we are but for some reason have 100% faith in our accuracy of the age of the universe.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:39 PM

View PostKazoo, on 11 October 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

I find it amusing how people point out how young we are but for some reason have 100% faith in our accuracy of the age of the universe.
I wouldn't say 100% faith at all, it is just a given estimate. Chances are, it is probably going to be older.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:43 PM

View PostRyegrog, on 11 October 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

We have destroyed more then we have fixed.


I do not believe that for a second. Please show something to back that statement.

We are responsible for the survival of many species. I thought I was a cynical so and so. You are staring to make me look like Mary Poppins.

View PostNinhursag, on 11 October 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

What, in the whole universe? No way.


Why?

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:47 PM

View Postpallidin, on 11 October 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

Does an egocentric mind even entertain the idea of intelligence other than theirself?

What has ego got to do with it?

Things are what they are. - Me Reality can't be debunked. That's the beauty of it. - Capeo If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. - Sir Isaac Newton Let me repeat the lesson learned from the Sturrock scientific review panel: Pack up your old data and forget it. Ufology needs new data, new cases, new rigorous and scientific methodologies if it hopes ever to get out of its pit. - Ed Stewart Youtube is the last refuge of the ignorant and is more often used for disinformation than genuine research.  There is a REASON for PEER REVIEW... - Chrlzs Nothing is inexplicable, just unexplained. - Dr Who

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:48 PM

View PostKazoo, on 11 October 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

I find it amusing how people point out how young we are but for some reason have 100% faith in our accuracy of the age of the universe.


Do you understand how we have come to the commonly accepted conclusion?

Things are what they are. - Me Reality can't be debunked. That's the beauty of it. - Capeo If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. - Sir Isaac Newton Let me repeat the lesson learned from the Sturrock scientific review panel: Pack up your old data and forget it. Ufology needs new data, new cases, new rigorous and scientific methodologies if it hopes ever to get out of its pit. - Ed Stewart Youtube is the last refuge of the ignorant and is more often used for disinformation than genuine research.  There is a REASON for PEER REVIEW... - Chrlzs Nothing is inexplicable, just unexplained. - Dr Who

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:06 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 11 October 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

I do not believe that for a second. Please show something to back that statement.

We are responsible for the survival of many species. I thought I was a cynical so and so. You are staring to make me look like Mary Poppins.




Why?

Yes I agree there are measures taken to right the wrong but we still keep destroying as we repair.
In my opinion, Species like the elephant, whale and dolphin are more intelligent because they live
in harmony with nature where we exploit it.

http://en.wikipedia....azon_Rainforest

Edited by Ryegrog, 12 October 2012 - 01:15 AM.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:46 AM

View PostRyegrog, on 12 October 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

Yes I agree there are measures taken to right the wrong but we still keep destroying as we repair.
In my opinion, Species like the elephant, whale and dolphin are more intelligent because they live
in harmony with nature where we exploit it.

http://en.wikipedia....azon_Rainforest


From your link:


The rate of deforestation is now slowing, and in 2011 deforestation figures were the slowest on record, although the forest is still shrinking.[4][24]

Norwegian prime minister Jens Stoltenberg announced on September 16, 2008, that the Norwegian Government would donate US $1 billion to the newly established Amazon fund. The money from this fund will go to projects aimed at slowing down the deforestation of the Amazon rainforest



Dolphins? They are evil! Crikey! They are wild animals that we have some sort of strange passion for. They murder, they practise infanticide, and they rape. Even people have been raped by Dolphins, there is a rumour the the actress Demi Moore had an unpleasent encounter with a Dolphin! But I am not blaming the Dolphin in that case!! :w00t:

And the Elephant? That lovable gentle giant? LOL!!

They murder us, each other, the raid crops, and can be very bad tempered. I take it you have never seen a doco with an Elephant. Some have gathered groups with what appears to be the intention of killing villages of humans. Keep an eye out for a Doco called The Dark Side Of Elephants.

Both are beautiful creatures, but they are not benevolent.




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Why do you hate humanity?

Things are what they are. - Me Reality can't be debunked. That's the beauty of it. - Capeo If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. - Sir Isaac Newton Let me repeat the lesson learned from the Sturrock scientific review panel: Pack up your old data and forget it. Ufology needs new data, new cases, new rigorous and scientific methodologies if it hopes ever to get out of its pit. - Ed Stewart Youtube is the last refuge of the ignorant and is more often used for disinformation than genuine research.  There is a REASON for PEER REVIEW... - Chrlzs Nothing is inexplicable, just unexplained. - Dr Who

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:50 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 11 October 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:


I do not believe that for a second. Please show something to back that statement.

We are responsible for the survival of many species. I thought I was a cynical so and so. You are staring to make me look like Mary Poppins.

We have definitely destroyed more than we've fixed. We have taken huge amounts of forests down out of their natural cycle. Overfishing is a problem because we are fishing more than the fish can reproduce (coupled with other species getting tangled in the nets we don't eat). Poor management of waste in some countries have had a huge affect on the wildlife.

Not to mention pollution, the air quality over some cities is detrimental. Those species we "brought from the brink of extinction" were mostly in that situation because of us, from hunting to introduction of domesticated pets and pests. I could go on and on but we are trying to fix the problems we've caused, unfortunately not enough.

Some companies are thinking in the long term and recognise this problem and try to conserve what they use and make it more sustainable, others just want quick money and will have the world pay for their greed later on.

We rely on nature to live, you put it against its own order of things and it will throw it off balance.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:55 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 12 October 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:






And the Elephant? That lovable gentle giant? LOL!!

They murder us, each other, the raid crops, and can be very bad tempered. I take it you have never seen a doco with an Elephant. Some have gathered groups with what appears to be the intention of killing villages of humans. Keep an eye out for a Doco called The Dark Side Of Elephants.

Both are beautiful creatures, but they are not benevolent.




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Why do you hate humanity?

That picture is from a festival where the elephants are being used as ceremonial beasts. They are smart creatures. Sometimes when you've been used for too long you snap. Just like the elephant.

I am also quite sure that an intelligent creature would recognise when their own home ground starts to shrink. And in retaliation, attack those who are responsible for that, humans.





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