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[EllJay]

Stellar, on 16 November 2012 - 04:27 AM, said:

Im curious, ninja, what are your thoughts on foreign invasion? I believe the Japanese, in WW2, said something along the lines of them being unable to invade the US because behind every blade of grass will be an american with a gun.

That is just a NRA bedtime story.

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"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." It has been declared this attribution is "unsubstantiated and almost certainly bogus, even though it has been repeated thousands of times in various Internet postings. There is no record of the commander in chief of Japan’s wartime fleet ever saying it.",

[Stellar]

Well, if it's a myth, then so be it. The sentiment, however, stands.

[ninjadude]

Stellar, on 16 November 2012 - 04:27 AM, said:

Im curious, ninja, what are your thoughts on foreign invasion? I believe the Japanese, in WW2, said something along the lines of them being unable to invade the US because behind every blade of grass will be an american with a gun.

You're still living in the past. That was what 67 YEARS ago.

[and then]

ninjadude, on 16 November 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

You're still living in the past. That was what 67 YEARS ago.

City dwellers in the "Land of Lincoln" may be pushover patsies for the criminal element that flourishes there but when that type decide to break into a home in say, Montgomery Alabama....well.... lets just say they better have kevlar underwear.  And in fact I don't even need to pick on Illinois, ANY big city dwellers could be accused of the same thing.  Small town people just have a different take AND a different answer for thieves and thugs.

[Stellar]

ninjadude, on 16 November 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

You're still living in the past. That was what 67 YEARS ago.

So you're telling me that wars dont and wont happen? It's impossible that at some point the US is invaded in a major war?

[ninjadude]

Stellar, on 18 November 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

It's impossible that at some point the US is invaded in a major war?

lets just say highly unlikely. You've been watching too much teevee.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Stellar, on 18 November 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

So you're telling me that wars dont and wont happen? It's impossible that at some point the US is invaded in a major war?

Depends on who and how IMO.

[ShadowSot]

Stellar, on 16 November 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

Well, if it's a myth, then so be it. The sentiment, however, stands.

The sentiment that there's a mistaken belief that we are secure because people are able to own weapons in order to take out better trained and equipped invasion forces?

There's a reason the Second Amendment included well regulated militia.

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ShadowSot, on 19 November 2012 - 02:54 AM, said:

The sentiment that there's a mistaken belief that we are secure because people are able to own weapons in order to take out better trained and equipped invasion forces?

There's a reason the Second Amendment included well regulated militia.

Ah, but some think that well regulated means the Michigan irregulars stomping through the woods with a case of beer Saturday morning

[F3SS]

It's cool that the founders wrote the 2nd amendment into the constitution as a means of citizen defense against an oppressive government but seriously who cares what the technicalities are in that instance? What I mean is that its specific to a well regulated militia but if you're about to fight the government with guns then it doesn't matter what their rules are. It's like doing what your enemy tells you to in a fight. Does that make any sense? I think I'm having trouble articulating that thought.
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When people, usually those against guns, say well you're really not allowed to have guns unless your part of a militia I can only assume they mean a government approved militia but when the governments the bad guy then it doesn't really matter what they approve of. It's too late. A gun fight will ensue.

Edited by -Mr_Fess-, 19 November 2012 - 09:29 PM.

[Black Red Devil]

I can't believe people are really serious enough to think they're going to make a difference against professional troops.  Unless people believe there is danger of an invasion from the Virgin Islands, any nation in the world contemplating an invasion on US soil would have to equip their troops with highly sophisticated weaponry.  
During a ground invasion, the force of their armored vehicles, helicopters, fighters, assault rifles, machine guns, missile launchers etc. etc. would scare the living daylights out of any pop gun equipped militia.   It's not the 1700's anymore.
Anyway, there is no danger of this happening any soon because no country in the world has the interest, technology or equipment to carry out such an invasion, not even China.   You would have to think that spending 700 billion US$ each year on national security (against China's 120 billion US$ each year which is the world's second highest nation for military expenditure) would safe guard from outside invasions, so don't worry boys and girls you can safely put away your pop guns.

Edited by BlackRedLittleDevil, 20 November 2012 - 06:54 AM.

[The Unseen]

The Silver Thong, on 12 November 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

Why Is america or I should say the US and it`s people actually going to use the second ammendment for its intended purpose. Or are you guys all going to go gangster in the streets.

[The Unseen]

BlackRedLittleDevil, on 20 November 2012 - 06:49 AM, said:

I can't believe people are really serious enough to think they're going to make a difference against professional troops.  Unless people believe there is danger of an invasion from the Virgin Islands, any nation in the world contemplating an invasion on US soil would have to equip their troops with highly sophisticated weaponry.  
During a ground invasion, the force of their armored vehicles, helicopters, fighters, assault rifles, machine guns, missile launchers etc. etc. would scare the living daylights out of any pop gun equipped militia.   It's not the 1700's anymore.
Anyway, there is no danger of this happening any soon because no country in the world has the interest, technology or equipment to carry out such an invasion, not even China.   You would have to think that spending 700 billion US$ each year on national security (against China's 120 billion US$ each year which is the world's second highest nation for military expenditure) would safe guard from outside invasions, so don't worry boys and girls you can safely put away your pop guns.

I dont care what anyone thinks,I am not putting anything away since they re=elected that America hating Obama.

[F3SS]

BlackRedLittleDevil, on 20 November 2012 - 06:49 AM, said:

I can't believe people are really serious enough to think they're going to make a difference against professional troops.  Unless people believe there is danger of an invasion from the Virgin Islands, any nation in the world contemplating an invasion on US soil would have to equip their troops with highly sophisticated weaponry.  
During a ground invasion, the force of their armored vehicles, helicopters, fighters, assault rifles, machine guns, missile launchers etc. etc. would scare the living daylights out of any pop gun equipped militia.   It's not the 1700's anymore.
Anyway, there is no danger of this happening any soon because no country in the world has the interest, technology or equipment to carry out such an invasion, not even China.   You would have to think that spending 700 billion US$ each year on national security (against China's 120 billion US$ each year which is the world's second highest nation for military expenditure) would safe guard from outside invasions, so don't worry boys and girls you can safely put away your pop guns.

Well that doesn't mean we shouldn't have guns. More importantly, that doesn't mean we can't have guns. The issue isn't wether or not citizens can fight off the military it's about our constitutional right.

[Corp]

-Mr_Fess-, on 19 November 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

It's cool that the founders wrote the 2nd amendment into the constitution as a means of citizen defense against an oppressive government but seriously who cares what the technicalities are in that instance? What I mean is that its specific to a well regulated militia but if you're about to fight the government with guns then it doesn't matter what their rules are. It's like doing what your enemy tells you to in a fight. Does that make any sense? I think I'm having trouble articulating that thought.
Edit:
When people, usually those against guns, say well you're really not allowed to have guns unless your part of a militia I can only assume they mean a government approved militia but when the governments the bad guy then it doesn't really matter what they approve of. It's too late. A gun fight will ensue.

Well isn't the big fear about the federal government? Seems to be given all the talk about how great state rights are. So wouldn't state approved militia be fine?