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#1    willowdreams

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:32 AM

http://www.dailykos....d-or-no-Diploma

Seriously? What if you are of a faith that does not tolerate 'oaths', A Jehovahs Witness will not do it.

To me, this will hurt atheist/agnostics, and those faiths where they will not swear oaths, and my daughter even was like 'what of those who share dual citizenship?

And the loyalty oath states:

I, _________, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION; AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THESE DUTIES; SO HELP ME GOD.

freely? You take the oath or do not graduate, which can screw those up who has scholarships. So where is the 'freely' part?

I dunno, I have trouble believing that this could pass, but am also shocked that pple THINK it has a chance, enough so that they are pushing for it.

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http://www.taylormar...e-loyalty-oath/
http://lafiga.firedo...plom-if-az-pol/
http://legiscan.com/AZ/text/HB2467

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:51 AM

Oaths are a useless relic of a superstitious past.  The only thing about them today that has meaning is when perjury laws are behind them, and such laws can be written to deal with affirmations rather than oaths.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:55 AM

What a backward time we live in.

This is will never pass, but holy hell is it stupid.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 02:24 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 03 July 2013 - 05:55 AM, said:

What a backward time we live in.

This is will never pass, but holy hell is it stupid.

Yea I know.. stupid.. heh

we both think it is toooo way too stupid to pass, now watch it pass *rolls eyes*

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 02:28 PM

The whole God thing aside.. That's pretty screwed up to require a student to take any oath to graduate. They already put in their time and got their credits required to graduate, an oath is just wrong.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 02:32 PM

Well, Arizona has ahead of it was Texas already has behind it... in 1836.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 02:36 PM

It's the usual game - some nut legislator or congressman puts forward some kind of crazy bill and the other side makes hay out of it.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 02:38 PM

View PostRafterman, on 03 July 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

It's the usual game - some nut legislator or congressman puts forward some kind of crazy bill and the other side makes hay out of it.

Problem is that in Arizona a lot of nut legislation is popping up lately... where one has to question whether the legislative should be reduced in manpower. They evidently have too much time on their hands.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 02:39 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 03 July 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Problem is that in Arizona a lot of nut legislation is popping up lately... where one has to question whether the legislative should be reduced in manpower. They evidently have too much time on their hands.

Well, if that's what the good people of the Great State of Arizona want, then so be it.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 02:50 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 03 July 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Problem is that in Arizona a lot of nut legislation is popping up lately... where one has to question whether the legislative should be reduced in manpower. They evidently have too much time on their hands.

usually when you see some weird stuff like this, it is usually because they are trying to get the attention away from something else they really want passed.

if this isnt a hide job, then its like spooky that adults would want to pass this, if it IS a hide what they really want passed job, then you have to wonder what it is they really are trying to get.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 02:52 PM

View Postwillowdreams, on 03 July 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

usually when you see some weird stuff like this, it is usually because they are trying to get the attention away from something else they really want passed.

if this isnt a hide job, then its like spooky that adults would want to pass this, if it IS a hide what they really want passed job, then you have to wonder what it is they really are trying to get.

It would surely not be anything related to Monsanto :devil:

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 02:53 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 03 July 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

It would surely not be anything related to Monsanto :devil:

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 02:56 PM

What's really creepy is how similar it is to the oath you must swear by when joining the military or police... Whats funniest is nobody seems to uphold it. Our constitution has been under attack by domestic politicians, has anyone seen the military or the police say cut it out or we will remove you from office?

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 02:58 PM

View PostxFelix, on 03 July 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:

What's really creepy is how similar it is to the oath you must swear by when joining the military or police... Whats funniest is nobody seems to uphold it. Our constitution has been under attack by domestic politicians, has anyone seen the military or the police say cut it out or we will remove you from office?

The thing you don't seem to understand: The politicians are authorized to change the Constitution if they get a qualified majority together. Therefore no military will ever intervene (if not to take the whole shebang over) when politicians tamper with it.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:07 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 03 July 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

The thing you don't seem to understand: The politicians are authorized to change the Constitution if they get a qualified majority together. Therefore no military will ever intervene (if not to take the whole shebang over) when politicians tamper with it.

The thing you don't understand: They have made certain preemptive maneuvers to ensure that they don't need a majority in the things they care for. Therefore they have directly attacked the constitution, and are guilty of treason. The military has still not intervened. They never will, not because they don't have the authority or grounds to do so, but because they won't bite the hand that feeds them. The generals love their politician counter parts making wars so they can decorate themselves with all sorts of fancy medals, ribbons, and titles... Meanwhile people's sons are out there dying, because we can gather a group of liars under one roof and erase freedoms at will, right? -____________-

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