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#121    quillius

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 04:29 PM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 30 November 2011 - 04:10 PM, said:

Have any of you actually talked to the teachers and students that actually had the sightings ?
It does seem that more evidence would be needed to even talk about such an event. And also eyewittnesses !
we are all going by hearsay and speculation What if theses kids saw a military exercise or other event that just got blown into a UFO craze event?

hey D, no teachers had the sighting it was just the kids.

their evidence (testimonys) can be seen in various bits of footage....

may have been a military exercise....trying to find out :)


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Posted 01 December 2011 - 02:22 AM

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 10:06 AM, said:



BTW - Its a lie that the kids in this incident couldn't have been influenced by TV or radio.



I feel that the original "Lost in Space" spaceship conforms the the basic theme.


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Posted 01 December 2011 - 03:34 AM

I actually had a Jupiter II model I really wish I still had it ! Worth a Saucer load today ! :rolleyes:

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 10:01 AM

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 04:26 PM, said:

I have actually, a few times. With this in mind, your initial point here is they describe a little black man, I say this is not the case they describe a little man in black outfit. Can you show me just one that describes a little black man?

Ahh my mistake, they clearly describe it several times as a black outfir.


View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 04:26 PM, said:

ahh so she was :) therefore back to your initial point, where does she say she believes this could be imagination? and secondly what could a very bright strange object in the bush be? without shortening it to something bright! she says 'object' = UFO?  :yes:

She didn't say imagination. That was my interpretation of what she said.
So everytime you hear the word object you think straight away of a UFO? Isn't that jumping to a conclusion to fast?
It could really be anything.  

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 04:26 PM, said:

maybe again we have nothing to prove this either way do we? Therefore to build a solution based on this premise would be somewhat 'speculative' at best.

Don't you think this hole case is build up around speculations, no solid evidence just eyewitnesses? Remember we only got the information Cynthia and John have optained. Speculate is really the only thing we can do in this case.  

I strongly believe the kids knew Cynthia was coming. I can't see why the headmaster would say to the kids they had to draw their "sighting" without letting them know why.

We need to remember it's kids we are talking about.  

Also i noticed something i find very strange. Charity S, one of the kids said: "I saw this silver thing and a person in black alongside it. It looked like a saucer." Then she was asked if she had heard of UFOs beofre and she replied no. Why would she say she haven't heard of UFOs before and then say it looked like a saucer? When the drawing doesn't resemble a saucer at all. I have my suspicions that she have heard of the term flying saucer before. Which gives more strength to my conclusion that the kids just said what Cynthia and John wanted to hear.


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Posted 01 December 2011 - 01:59 PM

View PostScepticus, on 01 December 2011 - 10:01 AM, said:

Ahh my mistake, they clearly describe it several times as a black outfir.

Morning,  :yes:  :tu:


View PostScepticus, on 01 December 2011 - 10:01 AM, said:


She didn't say imagination. That was my interpretation of what she said.
So everytime you hear the word object you think straight away of a UFO? Isn't that jumping to a conclusion to fast?
It could really be anything.  

thats right she never said imagination and therefore it is just your interpretation, which I dont agree with.

As for everytime I hear the word object I jump to UFO  :w00t: huh.....

lets see....the girl sees an 'object' (she uses this word), then she is unable to identify it therefore its 'unidentified' and finally its not stationary on the ground, neither is it in water, it is in the sky behind bushes = 'flying' put them all together we get a UFO (please do note that UFO does not equal ET)..
also if it was on the ground and not flying, its still unidentified object, not sure what the problem is here?!?!

View PostScepticus, on 01 December 2011 - 10:01 AM, said:


Don't you think this hole case is build up around speculations, no solid evidence just eyewitnesses? Remember we only got the information Cynthia and John have optained. Speculate is really the only thing we can do in this case.  

no not speculation, just eyewitness accounts, no supporting RADAR or trace evidence as far as I know, but its certainly not built on speculation.

View PostScepticus, on 01 December 2011 - 10:01 AM, said:


I strongly believe the kids knew Cynthia was coming. I can't see why the headmaster would say to the kids they had to draw their "sighting" without letting them know why.

We need to remember it's kids we are talking about.  

ok so maybe we need to go from the start, with your theory of the events and how they rolled out, please do start with the children playing in the playground .....

View PostScepticus, on 01 December 2011 - 10:01 AM, said:


Also i noticed something i find very strange. Charity S, one of the kids said: "I saw this silver thing and a person in black alongside it. It looked like a saucer." Then she was asked if she had heard of UFOs beofre and she replied no. Why would she say she haven't heard of UFOs before and then say it looked like a saucer? When the drawing doesn't resemble a saucer at all. I have my suspicions that she have heard of the term flying saucer before. Which gives more strength to my conclusion that the kids just said what Cynthia and John wanted to hear.


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so asked if she has heard of UFO she says no, if your suspicions are correct and she has heard of flying saucer...why does she have to know about UFO's and make the link? anyhow, this is still an important piint you picked up on...i.e. the picture doesnt resemble the description she gives...this actually supports my thoughts that the kids cant draw exactly what they see.  :tu:  :P


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Posted 02 December 2011 - 12:21 AM

View PostScepticus, on 01 December 2011 - 10:01 AM, said:

Ahh my mistake, they clearly describe it several times as a black outfir.


Except for in this drawing


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This is from John Mack's page (now deceased)

In addition to the “spaceships”, the children had seen two “strange beings,” one sitting on one of the spaceships and the other running back and forth in the grass, “bouncing as if he were on the moon, but not quite so much.”

The beings were described as black with long heads, “eyes as big as rugby balls,” with thin arms and legs. The event took place during the children’s morning recess while teachers were in a staff meeting. Many of the younger children were very scared and cried. “At first I thought it was a gardener,” one fourth-grader told us. “Then I realized it was an alien.”


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Posted 02 December 2011 - 01:01 AM

View Postquillius, on 29 November 2011 - 09:25 AM, said:


Maybe, all I would say if rumours did spread then thjis would help account for the hysteria we were told happened 'kids came running in screaming, scared'..?!? Like I said I dont buy into the electrical fault but if thats the answer then thats the answer...interesting to see where we end up.



DIfficult to get clear records from  the Harare/Zimbabwae electrical authority (Zesa). However, I have uncovered that the grid is not large enough to maintain the local population, as such load shedding is common. Load shedding is whereby you remove non-critical systems from a power supply to provide a good supply to critical systems. Such intermittent supply conditions coupled with more usage than is estimated, as the area has a high instance of unlawful power connections, a very high likelihood of plasma creation exists. Look at this picture of a fault

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Suddenly, they saw three silver balls in the sky over the school. These disappeared with a flash of light and then reappeared elsewhere.

I can't really say Aliens can't do that, but I would like to know how it is a achieved before I believe it. But I do know electricity does.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 10:24 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 02 December 2011 - 12:21 AM, said:

Except for in this drawing


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This is from John Mack's page (now deceased)

In addition to the “spaceships”, the children had seen two “strange beings,” one sitting on one of the spaceships and the other running back and forth in the grass, “bouncing as if he were on the moon, but not quite so much.”

The beings were described as black with long heads, “eyes as big as rugby balls,” with thin arms and legs. The event took place during the children’s morning recess while teachers were in a staff meeting. Many of the younger children were very scared and cried. “At first I thought it was a gardener,” one fourth-grader told us. “Then I realized it was an alien.”


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Hey Psyche, I am not so sure the picture you have there indicates a black man...maybe mask or alien 'grey'...number of possibles.

Anyhow I have still to hear or see where any child has described the being as black, the quote you have found is Johns writing and the way he has worded it, if you look back or listen to the children this is not the case. Maybe John made same mistake as Scepticus?  the point at the time was that a majority describe black outfit not black being.


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Posted 02 December 2011 - 10:27 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 02 December 2011 - 01:01 AM, said:

DIfficult to get clear records from  the Harare/Zimbabwae electrical authority (Zesa). However, I have uncovered that the grid is not large enough to maintain the local population, as such load shedding is common. Load shedding is whereby you remove non-critical systems from a power supply to provide a good supply to critical systems. Such intermittent supply conditions coupled with more usage than is estimated, as the area has a high instance of unlawful power connections, a very high likelihood of plasma creation exists. Look at this picture of a fault


Suddenly, they saw three silver balls in the sky over the school. These disappeared with a flash of light and then reappeared elsewhere.

I can't really say Aliens can't do that, but I would like to know how it is a achieved before I believe it. But I do know electricity does.

The wording you used says 'is' as opposed to was, seeing as we are talking about 17 odd years ago, I am sure poulation plus grid coverage/output was different then.

Although I do like the chain of thought  :tu:


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Posted 02 December 2011 - 03:17 PM

I say we all kick in our own drawings of an E.T  ?
See who has the best looking art work, Kids will be Kids, and Adults, well were perty much hopless in the imagination department mostly. Its always good to open the creative grey matter once and a while.Lets get to it now ! :tu:

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 04:41 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 01 December 2011 - 02:22 AM, said:





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Hey Psyche,

been taking another look at these pictures.

Do you notice picture 2 and picture 6 if scrolling down page are actually the same! is one the photocopy?
also The face scepticus put up (the last in the series of pictures of shaded face) this is actually from the 3rd picture enlarged.

Some more interesting clues for you:

the first picture in the series (slightly pink) reads : FOR MICHAEL     :w00t: now whos Michael?
well we have two possibilities. A- its Cynthias son who accompanied her on Monday (following the Friday event), if this is the case then it indicates that the children knew who the drawing was for prior to drawing, and therefore the 'possibility' that the Colin (HM) did not suggest the drawings himself but it really was Cynthia....or does it? :) why not for Cynthia? why Michael....

this leads on to the other 'possible' Michael.....MAGAZINE 2000 editor in chief - Michael Hesemann flew out ot to visit Ariel school and talk to the witnesses. This then throws into question the timing of when pictures were drawn.

just for your info: the school established only 3 years earlier 1991.

Tim Leach (BBC reporter) called Cynthia on Friday to tell her of the sighting, they went on Monday together to the school.

One last bit that I need to track down...there is talk of lots of ants nest at the spot of UFO, however when investigated for trace evidence it seems to have been noted that there were no ants!!!! when there should have been thousands?!?!?  Bee Keepers or Pest exterminators??? if pest exterminatorswhy no dead ants??

throw all in that in the bowl and we have a nice cake for christmas...is that about right Donteatus?

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 11:31 PM

View Postquillius, on 02 December 2011 - 10:24 AM, said:

Hey Psyche, I am not so sure the picture you have there indicates a black man...maybe mask or alien 'grey'...number of possibles.

I would think shading indicates a darker area. Grey would still be considered a lighter colour than the natives.

View Postquillius, on 02 December 2011 - 10:24 AM, said:

Anyhow I have still to hear or see where any child has described the being as black, the quote you have found is Johns writing and the way he has worded it, if you look back or listen to the children this is not the case. Maybe John made same mistake as Scepticus?  the point at the time was that a majority describe black outfit not black being.


Yes, I noted it was from John's page, yet he was one of two people that interviewed all 62 witnesses, so one has to wonder, how could he have got this wrong, when people say his investigation is through an well thought out? How "in depth" is this investigation, and was John a participant in prepping the tale? Or was this the general consensus that Cynthia Hind failed to note? I think it raises some questions. John Mack and Cynthia Hind are considered the be all end all authority where this case is concerned, yet this basic detail is either incorrect or withheld.

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 11:41 PM

View Postquillius, on 02 December 2011 - 10:27 AM, said:

The wording you used says 'is' as opposed to was, seeing as we are talking about 17 odd years ago, I am sure poulation plus grid coverage/output was different then.

Although I do like the chain of thought  :tu:


From what I read, progress is slow, and electricity theft is rife, making it all the harder to fix the problem. The electrical authorities seem to have their hands full with just applying band aid solutions on a constant basis. Although Ruwa is forging ahead, it seems to have quite some industry at present, I believe supply problems are still a headache.

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 12:12 AM

View Postquillius, on 02 December 2011 - 04:41 PM, said:

Hey Psyche,

been taking another look at these pictures.

Do you notice picture 2 and picture 6 if scrolling down page are actually the same! is one the photocopy?
also The face scepticus put up (the last in the series of pictures of shaded face) this is actually from the 3rd picture enlarged.

Hi mate

I had noticed actually, and like you, I assume the darker copy is the photocopy. I noticed the face being cropped out too. I had just assumed people were making out there were more drawings available than there really were.

View Postquillius, on 02 December 2011 - 04:41 PM, said:

Some more interesting clues for you:

the first picture in the series (slightly pink) reads : FOR MICHAEL     :w00t: now whos Michael?
well we have two possibilities. A- its Cynthias son who accompanied her on Monday (following the Friday event), if this is the case then it indicates that the children knew who the drawing was for prior to drawing, and therefore the 'possibility' that the Colin (HM) did not suggest the drawings himself but it really was Cynthia....or does it? :) why not for Cynthia? why Michael....

this leads on to the other 'possible' Michael.....MAGAZINE 2000 editor in chief - Michael Hesemann flew out ot to visit Ariel school and talk to the witnesses. This then throws into question the timing of when pictures were drawn.

just for your info: the school established only 3 years earlier 1991.

Tim Leach (BBC reporter) called Cynthia on Friday to tell her of the sighting, they went on Monday together to the school.

One last bit that I need to track down...there is talk of lots of ants nest at the spot of UFO, however when investigated for trace evidence it seems to have been noted that there were no ants!!!! when there should have been thousands?!?!?  Bee Keepers or Pest exterminators??? if pest exterminatorswhy no dead ants??

throw all in that in the bowl and we have a nice cake for christmas...is that about right Donteatus?

:wacko:


Certainly some head scratchers there, the ants are strange, but may help my idea along. Ants they like the small magnetic field electrical wires and outlets put out, an intermittent fault creating different current flows may have disturbed them.

As for the rest, I think I have some reading ahead of me ;) That is an enigmatic angle there, well done mate. Very interesting path to follow.

Edited by psyche101, 05 December 2011 - 12:13 AM.

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 11:21 AM

hey Psyche,

trying to find Magazine 2000 edition No. 118 and No. 119 of 1997.

by Michael Hesemann.

He interviewed 44 of the children involved.

will post anything I find.

ps.. Michael Hesemann is still in touch with Lisl (one of the children) via facebook, she is the girl that had 'FOR MICHAEL' on her picture.....





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