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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:22 AM

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Its because of people like you the world is in the state it is now and suppression is allowed to continue.
Why, thank you for that glowing testimony. I never knew I had so much influence.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:55 AM

View Postkumaran, on 12 January 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

I so believe in Keshe that to test my paypal account I donated some money to Keshe power cell corp. I advice everyone to do the same. Help Keshe bring a better future for humanity.


What is this rubbish kumuran? You said you would help us understand Keshe, here you are with hat in hand begging for him.

You may not realise, this, but you could not have made him look worse if you tried. This shows he is taking advantage of you, and if there is an almighty, I hope to be a round when he meets Keshe. Taking advantage of people like yourself is what the lowest forms of life do. Via Paypal.

How about you refrain from prostituting yourself and stick with the original offer, like telling us why his physics do not seem to make an ounce of sense? I'd rather you not embarrass yourself like this again for your own sake. Do not advise people to give money to Keshe, that is deplorable. I am very surprised that the board allows such to be honest.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:56 AM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 14 January 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

Why, thank you for that glowing testimony. I never knew I had so much influence.


I had a feeling that was you.....................

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:59 AM

View Postkumaran, on 14 January 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

Such sarcasm can only come from a closed mind.

And shamelessly soliciting for funds can only come from a scam.

View Postkumaran, on 14 January 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

Keshe cant be suppressed any more. Its all changing. Hallelujah.

Just painted yourself into a corner. You know you are going to be quoted this post the next dozen promises that also do not come of don't you?

Which is good, the lousy suppression excuse is wearing awful thin.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:29 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 14 January 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

And shamelessly soliciting for funds can only come from a scam.



Just painted yourself into a corner. You know you are going to be quoted this post the next dozen promises that also do not come of don't you?

Which is good, the lousy suppression excuse is wearing awful thin.
Like I said there are several teams worldwide including one in Italy replicating the device here http://gradienti.xoo...zioni-pratiche/ . You wanted to see  a reactor. Thats a reactor. Keshe does not need your money. But I donate because I believe in it. I will also buy his book 4 because I believe in it.


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:50 AM

Interview with Keshe here . Keshe  says that the source of his funding is Iran who have his technology already and are funding Keshe to help him spread the knowledge to other countries. I think the Iranians and the Italians the only two countries that are helping this technology along are brave people. They must be applauded for their openness. Any other country would have classified the technology but the Iranians allowed Keshe to take his reactors back to Belgium after he developed them there. Italians have seen the potential of the technology and should also be applauded for being the only EU country where  the citizens forced their MPs to discuss Keshe in parliament.Its not surprising since Rome is one of the oldest civilisations in Europe. I am not surprised that they are more open minded. Even the great Rossi is from Italy. It is not surprising the Iranians are allowing other countries to have the technology as they too are an ancient civilisation in the Middle East. Bravo to Italians and Iranians. The cat is out of the bag. Its too late to suppress it.

Edited by kumaran, 15 January 2013 - 06:06 AM.


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:26 AM

View Postkumaran, on 14 January 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

Like I said there are several teams worldwide including one in Italy replicating the device here http://gradienti.xoo...zioni-pratiche/ . You wanted to see  a reactor. Thats a reactor. Keshe does not need your money. But I donate because I believe in it. I will also buy his book 4 because I believe in it.


LOL. that article is mostly about people not having a clue what Keshe is on about.

The first sentence was carried out through the study and translation of the patent of 117 Keshe. We have found that the long patent consisted of techniques and extensive descriptive sections on the formation of matter, galaxies and the universe. The concepts are identically repeated many times, often in the same words, it is as if many different experiments were assembled together without a clear cohesion, so also the data are often not well defined and / or conflicting.

Does that not say Keshe is patenting natural processes? And it states it it like there is no cohesion.

Seriously, this The concepts are identically repeated many times, often in the same words, it is as if many different experiments were assembled together without a clear cohesion, so also the data are often not well defined and / or conflicting. impresses you?


And what is this hippy crap?


Through applications made directly to Keshe, we have found a strange line behavior of the author, except as they normally do. We have "intuition" that this type of experiment, which should be a creative touch the foundations of the subject, take a character not only scientific, but also spiritual and at the same time an expression of free creativity.


Rely on intuition? What?? You said this was scientific! When do we see bubbling cauldrons? Spiritual??????? WTF is this garbage?????????? Was it written by a witch or something?


And this nonsense:



For example, we asked Keshe why not give us holding blueprints and construction specifications.
The response was something like this: "You will not do because it was the spread this information has always been in all parts of the universe."
"Damn!" We asked the meaning of this statement, and the only explanation that we were able to give us, is that in each experiment, the experimenter must put in a suitable YOUR CREATIVITY '.
Moreover, as the scientist technicist seems incredible, it seems that what is created takes a strange relationship with the creator, almost like a filial relationship.
No blueprints because the Universe holds the secrets? What's the freaking money for if the Universe has the secret??????? This is tripe at best. I am stunned you do not consider this crap a direct rip off.

Even the article says this is not on the level, but Keshe says try the hippy crap.

Clearly, this clashes with our scientific beliefs, and within the gurppo creates enormous confusion.


Clashes?? and Keshes answer is the blueprints are the Universe?????? This gets worse as it goes along!!!!!


We immediately asked Keshe which was the ideal pressure. We were expecting a response consistent with what is written in patents, which speaks in a case of 10 -7 at other than 10 -6  , more or less seemed that the range of action. The response was equivocal Keshe "the pressure does not really matter." This answer has left us perplexed.

And even with the translation, one can see they are redesigning the thing on the fly to try and make it do something. Nobody still now how it works, and there is still no working model. Why is there no video fo the generator running? It honestly looks like a electric motor sitting on a makeshift centrifuge to me. Not a generator.


You cannot be serious. What exactly is that article supposed to convey? Because o does not seem to be confidence. These guys are scratching their heads over this claim as much as we are. And still, we see no working model. And why are there two sets of electrical wires to the model?


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Edited by psyche101, 15 January 2013 - 07:47 AM.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:43 AM

View Postkumaran, on 15 January 2013 - 05:50 AM, said:

Interview with Keshe here. Keshe  says that the source of his funding is Iran who have his technology already and are funding Keshe to help him spread the knowledge to other countries.

And that is why Iran is the leader in technology today.... oh wait. Not the case at all is it.............

So you feel if every country drops there level of technology to that of Iran, we will be moving forward do you? Cannot remember myself the last time Iran put a man on the moon.

View Postkumaran, on 15 January 2013 - 05:50 AM, said:

I think the Iranians and the Italians the only two countries that are helping this technology along are brave people.

Or very stupid and have been sucked in, which honestly does seem to be the case. The more information you provide, the worse Keshe looks. You are yet to provide on convincing piece of evidence, let alone so much as informa us of a successful test.

View Postkumaran, on 15 January 2013 - 05:50 AM, said:

They must be applauded for their openness.

I will laugh at them when they lose money. I will even write them a letter showing them how to find this forum, and how so many knew that this was a scam.

View Postkumaran, on 15 January 2013 - 05:50 AM, said:

Any other country would have classified the technology but the Iranians allowed Keshe to take his reactors back to Belgium after he developed them there.

Why would they classify the technology? Because of your imaginary Illuminati? What about places like PNG and New Zealand. Who is opposing the technology there?

Technology is not suppressed, You have it all wrong. New technology is welcomed, because there is big money to be made from new things. Look at the IPhone.

View Postkumaran, on 15 January 2013 - 05:50 AM, said:

Italians have seen the potential of the technology and should also be applauded for being the only EU country where  the citizens forced their MPs to discuss Keshe in parliament.

Citizens forced? What happened to your politician? You said he was the one to be praised, now you are saying he was forced. Is anything you say true?

View Postkumaran, on 15 January 2013 - 05:50 AM, said:

Its not surprising since Rome is one of the oldest civilisations in Europe. I am not surprised that they are more open minded.

Africa is the cradle of mankind. But a hard and practical country. Much older by a very long shot. Practical people have no need for dreams and promises that never come true. People with plenty funds and plenty time however spend too much time trying not to work.

View Postkumaran, on 15 January 2013 - 05:50 AM, said:

Even the great Rossi is from Italy.


Great???? WTF???? You just made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.

Dick Smith proved he is a liar and a charlatan. You know this. Offered Rossi One Million dollarsd just to see his contraption work, rmeber Rossi? Get him away from me, and do not dare let him near me again LOL. Rossi fears Dick Smith.


Really, you ought to be so very ashamed of yourself for promoting Rossi. It is a bad thing to do and not something to be proud of.


View Postkumaran, on 15 January 2013 - 05:50 AM, said:

It is not surprising the Iranians are allowing other countries to have the technology as they too are an ancient civilisation in the Middle East. Bravo to Italians and Iranians. The cat is out of the bag. Its too late to suppress it.

Allowing them? You said Keshe forced this into embassies on a bloody USB stick! Australia still has not seen this magical stick!

I am so sorry to see you ripped off like this, but the worst part, is they now seem to have you working for them. That is taking advantage, and one of the worst things a person can do to another as far as I am concerned.

Honestly kumuran. I cannot fathom what you get out of making these posts. Nobody believes you except Bee, who believes pretty much anything, and not one of the claims made has stood up. You look worse, each post you make here makes people want to run away from Keshe. The physics get worse along the way, and still, not one demonstration has gone ahead. All we hear are bad excuses. What do you get from happily prostituting yourself for Keshe? I think that is one of the biggest mysteries on these boards.

Edited by psyche101, 15 January 2013 - 07:44 AM.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:47 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 15 January 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

LOL. that article is mostly about people not having a clue what Keshe is on about.

The first sentence was carried out through the study and translation of the patent of 117 Keshe. We have found that the long patent consisted of techniques and extensive descriptive sections on the formation of matter, galaxies and the universe. The concepts are identically repeated many times, often in the same words, it is as if many different experiments were assembled together without a clear cohesion, so also the data are often not well defined and / or conflicting.

Does that not say Keshe is patenting natural processes? And it states it it like there is no cohesion.

Seriously, this The concepts are identically repeated many times, often in the same words, it is as if many different experiments were assembled together without a clear cohesion, so also the data are often not well defined and / or conflicting. impresses you?


And what is this hippy crap?


Through applications made directly to Keshe, we have found a strange line behavior of the author, except as they normally do. We have "intuition" that this type of experiment, which should be a creative touch the foundations of the subject, take a character not only scientific, but also spiritual and at the same time an expression of free creativity.


Rely on intuition? What?? You said this was scientific! When do we see bubbling cauldrons? Spiritual??????? WTF is this garbage?????????? Was it written by a witch or something?


And this nonsense:



For example, we asked Keshe why not give us holding blueprints and construction specifications.
The response was something like this: "You will not do because it was the spread this information has always been in all parts of the universe."
"Damn!" We asked the meaning of this statement, and the only explanation that we were able to give us, is that in each experiment, the experimenter must put in a suitable YOUR CREATIVITY '.
Moreover, as the scientist technicist seems incredible, it seems that what is created takes a strange relationship with the creator, almost like a filial relationship.
No blueprints because the Universe holds the secrets? What's the freaking money for if the Universe has the secret??????? This is tripe at best. I am stunned you do not consider this crap a direct rip off.

Even the article says this is not on the level, but Keshe says try the hippy crap.

Clearly, this clashes with our scientific beliefs, and within the gurppo creates enormous confusion.


Clashes?? and Keshes answer is the blueprints are the Universe?????? This gets worse as it goes along!!!!!


We immediately asked Keshe which was the ideal pressure. We were expecting a response consistent with what is written in patents, which speaks in a case of 10 -7 at other than 10 -6  , more or less seemed that the range of action. The response was equivocal Keshe "the pressure does not really matter." This answer has left us perplexed.

And even with the translation, one can see they are redesigning the thing on the fly to try and make it do something. Nobody still now how it works, and there is still no working model. Why is there no video fo the generator running? It honestly looks like a electric motor sitting on a makeshift centrifuge to me. Not a generator.


You cannot be serious. What exactly is that article supposed to convey? Because o does not seem to be confidence. These guys are scratching their heads over this claim as much as we are. And still, we see no working model. And why are there two sets of electrical wires to the model?
They are still experimenting with their design. If you want to keep a closed mind about it its your business. I still support Keshe.


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:52 AM

View Postkumaran, on 15 January 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

They are still experimenting with their design. If you want to keep a closed mind about it its your business. I still support Keshe.


Experimenting? They are as confused as anyone is. That is why I supplied so many quotes from your own link. It is the groups own words, not mine.

I am just going with what you tell me, and the people working on this, in the link you provided to the article above, they say:


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Clearly, this clashes with our scientific beliefs, and within the gurppo creates enormous confusion.

So you are saying I am closed minded if I do not listen, but I am closed minded if I do listen? Look what the "team" has to say above. You provided the information. I did not say it, the people trying to accomplish this contraption did.

Kinda makes it hard when no matter what one does, unless they blindly give Keshe money, you consider them closed minded? How does that make sense?

Edited by psyche101, 15 January 2013 - 07:53 AM.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:57 AM

Research PAVs. Some designs are saucer shaped. Iran's attempt at a saucer will not be the ET variety or reverse engineered I'm guessing. Iran developed its first sub and it's not that intimidating compared to our own evil governments Military–industrial complex nuke subs and all the war mongering crap we develop to be the bullies of the world.


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:58 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 15 January 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

And that is why Iran is the leader in technology today.... oh wait. Not the case at all is it.............

So you feel if every country drops there level of technology to that of Iran, we will be moving forward do you? Cannot remember myself the last time Iran put a man on the moon.



Or very stupid and have been sucked in, which honestly does seem to be the case. The more information you provide, the worse Keshe looks. You are yet to provide on convincing piece of evidence, let alone so much as informa us of a successful test.



I will laugh at them when they lose money. I will even write them a letter showing them how to find this forum, and how so many knew that this was a scam.



Why would they classify the technology? Because of your imaginary Illuminati? What about places like PNG and New Zealand. Who is opposing the technology there?

Technology is not suppressed, You have it all wrong. New technology is welcomed, because there is big money to be made from new things. Look at the IPhone.



Citizens forced? What happened to your politician? You said he was the one to be praised, now you are saying he was forced. Is anything you say true?



Africa is the cradle of mankind. But a hard and practical country. Much older by a very long shot. Practical people have no need for dreams and promises that never come true. People with plenty funds and plenty time however spend too much time trying not to work.




Great???? WTF???? You just made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.

Dick Smith proved he is a liar and a charlatan. You know this. Offered Rossi One Million dollarsd just to see his contraption work, rmeber Rossi? Get him away from me, and do not dare let him near me again LOL. Rossi fears Dick Smith.


Really, you ought to be so very ashamed of yourself for promoting Rossi. It is a bad thing to do and not something to be proud of.




Allowing them? You said Keshe forced this into embassies on a bloody USB stick! Australia still has not seen this magical stick!

I am so sorry to see you ripped off like this, but the worst part, is they now seem to have you working for them. That is taking advantage, and one of the worst things a person can do to another as far as I am concerned.

Honestly kumuran. I cannot fathom what you get out of making these posts. Nobody believes you except Bee, who believes pretty much anything, and not one of the claims made has stood up. You look worse, each post you make here makes people want to run away from Keshe. The physics get worse along the way, and still, not one demonstration has gone ahead. All we hear are bad excuses. What do you get from happily prostituting yourself for Keshe? I think that is one of the biggest mysteries on these boards.
keshe never forced anyone to take the USB stick. He respectfully wrote to the embassies of all the countries and they went willingly went and got the USB stick. But after getting it not one country government accepted receiving it. Fabio Meroni forced other politicians to look into it and if you listened to the interview Keshe says more Italian parliamentarians and scientists are visiting the Keshe foundation and learning more. It wont take long for the suppression to be ended. Australia also got the USB stick. Probably covered it up. Italian government when asked by meroni in parliament said they received the patents so they know about it but are willingly and wantonly hiding it. But the people of Italy are pressing their government to come out with the truth. The truth will out mark my words. I said it here. Keshe will be vindicated.


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:01 AM

View Posttopsecretresearch, on 15 January 2013 - 07:57 AM, said:

Research PAVs. Some designs are saucer shaped. Iran's attempt at a saucer will not be the ET variety or reverse engineered I'm guessing. Iran developed its first sub and it's not that intimidating compared to our own evil governments Military–industrial complex nuke subs and all the war mongering crap we develop to be the bullies of the world.

Despite the thread title, I think the Saucers bit went out long ago. Just the technology alone is something nobody, even the team working on it, seem to be able to understand. The Physics are plain nonsense. I do not hink Keshe tech is bandied about in Iran on PAV''s just yet. He has not so much as managed a demonstration. Each time he promises one, all we get is another excuse.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:02 AM

**** the US and Israel :td: and go Iran.


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:13 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 15 January 2013 - 08:01 AM, said:

Despite the thread title, I think the Saucers bit went out long ago. Just the technology alone is something nobody, even the team working on it, seem to be able to understand. The Physics are plain nonsense. I do not hink Keshe tech is bandied about in Iran on PAV''s just yet. He has not so much as managed a demonstration. Each time he promises one, all we get is another excuse.
They said that according to old physics it didnt make sense but if you read down the line they say according to fringe scientists like Haramein and Papp and Ighina it makes sense. They are researching it on the grounds that mainstream physics is not always right.

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