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#16    Star of the Sea

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:11 PM

View Posteight bits, on 02 April 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

So I would have thought. I am mystified how anybody could call themselves a "Catholic traditionalist" and think that a Pope would need somebody else's permission for something like this.

People don't like change, so it's bound to cause a stir. What is very interesting though is the response of the media, far too much hyperbole as usual. When he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires Pope Francis made a point of celebrating Mass with the prostitutes of Buenos Aires, kissing the feet of AIDS victims and celebrated mass in the streets with the homeless. He has also celebrated Mass in prisons before.

It's the RCC Curia who are next on the list!

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:19 PM

I like this Pope he showed respect for women as Jesus may have done, to even kiss a muslim women`s feet shows  man is no higher then women in that respect for all women, that the muslin`s religion does`nt seem to get.


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:12 AM

I can't image how anybody could think Peter was the first Pope. Jesus called Peter a stone, not a rock. A stone was used to build upon the rock foundation. Like stones built one upon another until walls are made.

That rock is (and I quote from Jesus) "flesh and blood hath not revealed it (that Jesus is the Christ - revealed to Peter but not to the others who were guessing incorrectly who Jesus was) "unto you but my Father which is in Heaven. UPON THIS ROCK WILL I BUILD MY CHURCH AND THE GATES OF HELL CANNOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT." That does away with all "free will doctrine churches. The Father in heaven did not identify "it" to the other disciples at that time in order to make the point that it is by God's election that Jesus is revealed to one as the Christ. A preacher, priest, or missionary cannot reveal that Jesus is the Christ. Only by a supernatural intervention to individuals from heaven can one know. The church that believes in election are stones on that rock foundation. There are many worldly, powerful, rich false churches. Are you beginning to see a picture of the harlot of Revelation?????????

In the Old Testament there were priests and ONE high priest. There was never more than ONE high priest at any time. The high priest was a foreshadow of Jesus Christ, now our High Priest. Just as lambs are no longer sacrificed for sin, and the temple torn down so that there are no more high priests on earth because we are never to look backwards.  We no longer need a High Priest to make intercession for us on earth because we have one now in Heaven. The Pope is a farce and a sham with an insatiable appetite for your money . I don't care how many humanitarian programs they are involved in, they still are worshipping Mary and other saints and belittling what Jesus did by adding all these false things man must do in order to be saved. Eternal salvation is 100% by the blood of the Lamb. Add anything to that and the blood is diluted.

The worldly pomp and pageantry of the free will churches and Catholic church are disgustingly worldly. Peter must be flipping in his grave.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:03 PM

View PostCopen, on 04 April 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

I can't image how anybody could think Peter was the first Pope. Jesus called Peter a stone, not a rock. A stone was used to build upon the rock foundation. Like stones built one upon another until walls are made.

That rock is (and I quote from Jesus) "flesh and blood hath not revealed it (that Jesus is the Christ - revealed to Peter but not to the others who were guessing incorrectly who Jesus was) "unto you but my Father which is in Heaven. UPON THIS ROCK WILL I BUILD MY CHURCH AND THE GATES OF HELL CANNOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT." That does away with all "free will doctrine churches. The Father in heaven did not identify "it" to the other disciples at that time in order to make the point that it is by God's election that Jesus is revealed to one as the Christ. A preacher, priest, or missionary cannot reveal that Jesus is the Christ. Only by a supernatural intervention to individuals from heaven can one know. The church that believes in election are stones on that rock foundation. There are many worldly, powerful, rich false churches. Are you beginning to see a picture of the harlot of Revelation?????????

In the Old Testament there were priests and ONE high priest. There was never more than ONE high priest at any time. The high priest was a foreshadow of Jesus Christ, now our High Priest. Just as lambs are no longer sacrificed for sin, and the temple torn down so that there are no more high priests on earth because we are never to look backwards.  We no longer need a High Priest to make intercession for us on earth because we have one now in Heaven. The Pope is a farce and a sham with an insatiable appetite for your money . I don't care how many humanitarian programs they are involved in, they still are worshipping Mary and other saints and belittling what Jesus did by adding all these false things man must do in order to be saved. Eternal salvation is 100% by the blood of the Lamb. Add anything to that and the blood is diluted.

The worldly pomp and pageantry of the free will churches and Catholic church are disgustingly worldly. Peter must be flipping in his grave.
God bless.


Your entitled to your opinion, but just look at all the different interpretations of Christianity over the years. Who, since Christ has defended it? Please don't say Catholics worship the Blessed Mother that one has been flogged to death and is completely untrue just as the rest of your false claims . I don't normally feel offended at anyone one on here but by saying Catholics 'belittle Jesus' is honestly offensive to me Copen. Perhaps it maybe best to try to educate yourself on the Catholic faith before you make false judgements?

Just a thought Copen... I do not and never will judge anyone on their faith or lack of faith, perhaps you could ponder on that.

Edited by Star of the Sea, 04 April 2013 - 07:06 PM.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:09 AM

Well the hard-line traditionalists would have been pallid with shock when they anointed a Jesuit Pope.
Jesuits are the biggest bunch of "pfft, what would Jesus have done?" doctrine challenging troublemakers in all of Christendom. I fully expect a Papal Bull in the next year to the tone of "find yourself a new job if you're found guilty in a secular court of paedophilia". Maybe with a dose of "and here's an excommunication for good measure", but I doubt it, that sounds too much like an admission of collective guilt, but saying "you're guilty of X, society has ruled and we're society's servants" fits with a Jesuit outlook and a "stepforward" for us Liberal Catholics but just small enough to not offend the Traditionalists.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:57 AM

View PostCopen, on 04 April 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

I can't image how anybody could think Peter was the first Pope. Jesus called Peter a stone, not a rock. A stone was used to build upon the rock foundation. Like stones built one upon another until walls are made.
it was all a Greek pun in any case, based on the word "Petros", which can mean stone or rock, and as Jesus would have spoken Aramaic, it's probably a moot point anyway.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:53 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 05 April 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

it was all a Greek pun in any case, based on the word "Petros", which can mean stone or rock, and as Jesus would have spoken Aramaic, it's probably a moot point anyway.

Hi Colonel!

We know that Jesus spoke Aramaic because some of his words are preserved for us in the Gospels.  Matthew 27:46, where he says from the cross, ‘Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?’ That isn’t Greek; it’s Aramaic, and it means, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’
In 1 Corinthians—we have the Aramaic form of Simon’s new name preserved for us. In our English Bibles it comes out as Cephas. That isn’t Greek. That’s a transliteration of the Aramaic word Kepha (rendered as Kephas in its Hellenistic form).

"And what does Kepha mean? It means a rock, the same as petra. What Jesus said to Simon in Matthew 16:18 was this: ‘You are Kepha, and on this kepha I will build my Church.’

Edited by Star of the Sea, 05 April 2013 - 07:55 PM.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:52 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 05 April 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

it was all a Greek pun in any case, based on the word "Petros", which can mean stone or rock, and as Jesus would have spoken Aramaic, it's probably a moot point anyway.

Correction:- - - "...thou art Peter (petros - meaning a stone) and upon this rock (petra - meaning a massive  rock) I will build my church and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it."

Peter, a stone, was one of many built, one on top of the other, to form the walls upon this massive rock. That rock was "flesh and blood hath not revealed it (that Jesus is the Christ) but my Father, who is in heaven." That statement does away with the free-will doctrine churches being the true church and says that election and predestination (not predestination of events) is the true church that will never die.  For if flesh and flood (missionaries and preachers) cannot reveal Jesus to an unbeliever, then it has to happen by an individual act of God first. Then the feet of the missionary/preacher can bring good news and make a child of God into a disciple.

There is a big difference in the words "petros" and "petra." So it is not a moot point.
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Edited by Copen, 23 April 2013 - 01:53 AM.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:15 AM

View PostStar of the Sea, on 04 April 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

Your entitled to your opinion, but just look at all the different interpretations of Christianity over the years. Who, since Christ has defended it? Please don't say Catholics worship the Blessed Mother that one has been flogged to death and is completely untrue just as the rest of your false claims . I don't normally feel offended at anyone one on here but by saying Catholics 'belittle Jesus' is honestly offensive to me Copen. Perhaps it maybe best to try to educate yourself on the Catholic faith before you make false judgements?

Just a thought Copen... I do not and never will judge anyone on their faith or lack of faith, perhaps you could ponder on that.
I never mind anyone differing with my opinion. I have learned a lot by further investigating what someone else says.

In this case, so far at least, I see nothing to retract. Any time a church sets aside a day for the Blessed Virgin Mary and calls her the Queen of Heaven, which the OT forbids -- then that statement is not false on my part. When John in Revelation went to kiss an angel's hand, he was told not to do it for they were equal. The Virgin Mary in worshipped in statues where they say she sheds tears. Immaculate conception??? She had other children. She died like everyone else.

When they teach to pray to her and other saints, they are making someone other than Jesus the mediator. That belittles Jesus.
When they say you have to be sprinkled (they call it a baptism in order to be eternally saved )--- they have added a work to the blood of Jesus. That dilutes the blood and belittles Jesus' shed blood being 100% the way of salvation. If there is anything man must do in order to be saved eternally (believe, accept, repent, confess, be sprinkled and call it baptism) then man has elevated himself to being at least part savior for his work trumps the blood making man's will stronger than God. The Bible teaches quite the opposite. His are is not short concerning thy salvation.

"Whosoever believeth HATH (PAST TENSE -- ALREADY HAS) everlasting life." That says believing is the evidence not the work in which man must accomplish in order to be saved.
Thanks for the jacking up. I did reflect on my previous comments  and sincerely appreciate that your thoughts.
God bless us all is my prayer.

Catholics are not the only ones teaching such Christ belittling things; but most other Christian denominations know not to worship the Virgin Mary and other saints.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:55 PM

View PostCopen, on 23 April 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

I never mind anyone differing with my opinion. I have learned a lot by further investigating what someone else says.

In this case, so far at least, I see nothing to retract. Any time a church sets aside a day for the Blessed Virgin Mary and calls her the Queen of Heaven, which the OT forbids -- then that statement is not false on my part. When John in Revelation went to kiss an angel's hand, he was told not to do it for they were equal. The Virgin Mary in worshipped in statues where they say she sheds tears. Immaculate conception??? She had other children. She died like everyone else.

When they teach to pray to her and other saints, they are making someone other than Jesus the mediator. That belittles Jesus.
When they say you have to be sprinkled (they call it a baptism in order to be eternally saved )--- they have added a work to the blood of Jesus. That dilutes the blood and belittles Jesus' shed blood being 100% the way of salvation. If there is anything man must do in order to be saved eternally (believe, accept, repent, confess, be sprinkled and call it baptism) then man has elevated himself to being at least part savior for his work trumps the blood making man's will stronger than God. The Bible teaches quite the opposite. His are is not short concerning thy salvation.

"Whosoever believeth HATH (PAST TENSE -- ALREADY HAS) everlasting life." That says believing is the evidence not the work in which man must accomplish in order to be saved.
Thanks for the jacking up. I did reflect on my previous comments  and sincerely appreciate that your thoughts.
God bless us all is my prayer.

Catholics are not the only ones teaching such Christ belittling things; but most other Christian denominations know not to worship the Virgin Mary and other saints.


Copen see.... you are just showing your 'ignorance' (in the nicest possible way) about Catholicism. You need to educate yourself on Catholic theology then come to the table with an argument.

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Edited by Star of the Sea, 23 April 2013 - 10:57 PM.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 07:20 AM

View PostHilander, on 02 April 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

I'm not catholic but the man is a character.  Keep it coming Francis and get rid of the traditional pomp, its outlived itself.

I dunno. I am not Catholic, but I always thought the pomp is what makes the Catholicism stand out. Get rid of that, and what is he left with.... another kind of dime-a-dozen roadside church?

I once talked my way into the Xmas mas at St. Peters, and I must say it was a dam good show.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 01:57 AM

I don't see a big deal in women's feet being washed...  The fact that one was a muslim seems to be the only problem I would have with it.  For one, since its supposed to commemorator washing the disciples feet, to include a non disciple, doesn't make sense and seems kind of insulting, considering she's a part of a religion that still kills Christian missionaries....  And number two, for the woman herself to take part in a Christian rite performed by the catholic pope is something she could be in big trouble with when it comes to her fellow muslims and family memebers...





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