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#166    Jor-el

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 11:15 PM

View PostJesus Loves Us, on 22 July 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:


their mission is to evangelize the post-rapture world and proclaim the gospel during the tribulation period.


Kind of odd for oldschool Jews to do. :yes:



Whose mission, the 144.000 or the Jews as a whole?

Another assumption, why evangelize when every single person in that world will clearly be able to see Jesus and worship him directly?

There will be no more old school jews as you call them, they will be living in the millenium as prophesied, led by the Messiah himself, there won't be any doubters there.

As for the 144.000 they are not evangelizing... the are singing Gods praise, nowhere is it stated that they evangelize anyone.

Edited by Jor-el, 22 July 2013 - 11:24 PM.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 11:38 PM

View PostJor-el, on 22 July 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

As for the 144.000 they are not evangelizing... the are singing Gods praise, nowhere is it stated that they evangelize anyone.
palms in their hands; 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.

Don't you think that's evangelizing?


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Posted 22 July 2013 - 11:45 PM

Do you give away christian tract? Do you share the Joy in public?


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:17 AM

View PostJesus Loves Us, on 22 July 2013 - 11:38 PM, said:

palms in their hands; 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.

Don't you think that's evangelizing?

Hmmm JLU, I would like you to go back and reread what you posted...

You are quoting verse 10 of Revelation 7, now if you pay attention, you will notice that verses 1 to 8 are located specifically on earth.... however verses 9 to 17 are located specifically in heaven, this is quite clear from the text and if you will notice... the Great multitude who is doing the praising is in heaven, not the earth.

Now if the 144.000 do evangelize as you say, then those who accepted the gospel and are represented by the great multitude are also very dead.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 01:21 AM

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Hmmm JLU, I would like you to go back and reread what you posted...
Will do.

You are quoting verse 10 of Revelation 7, now if you pay attention, you will notice that verses 1 to 8 are located specifically on earth.... however verses 9 to 17 are located specifically in heaven, this is quite clear from the text and if you will notice... the Great multitude who is doing the praising is in heaven, not the earth.
Thank you for pointing that out to me. Are you saying the link I gave you is bogus?

Now if the 144.000 do evangelize as you say, then those who accepted the gospel and are represented by the great multitude are also very dead.
Because of the Rapture?



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 01:23 AM

View PostJor-el, on 22 July 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:

God sealed them, it doesn't mean nobody else survives... which scripture clearly does not support but instead refutes such an assumption.
Does scripture refutes the sealed doctrine?


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 02:15 AM

The 144,000 are sealed at the beginning of the 7 year tribulation. half way through the tribulation they are raptured. what do you think they are doing for 3 and a half years other than spreading the gospel of Christ??  :whistle:


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:54 AM

View PostOgbin, on 23 July 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

The 144,000 are sealed at the beginning of the 7 year tribulation. half way through the tribulation they are raptured. what do you think they are doing for 3 and a half years other than spreading the gospel of Christ??  :whistle:

144000 is a natural number. It has significance in several religious movements. In the Mayan calendar, a baktun is a period of 144,000 days.A Baktun is 20 Katun cycles of the ancient Maya Long Count Calendar, which contains 144,000 days.


The number is also given as the total number of prophets in Islam.

So its more then likely that that number was copied by the Piso's from the Mayans for the new religion of Christianity.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 05:37 PM

View PostJesus Loves Us, on 23 July 2013 - 01:23 AM, said:

Does scripture refutes the sealed doctrine?

Sealed means one thing, but it does not mean what you are implying, that the sealed ones are the only ones who survive the tribulation.... is that not what you are saying?

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 05:50 PM

View PostJesus Loves Us, on 23 July 2013 - 01:21 AM, said:

Thank you for pointing that out to me. Are you saying the link I gave you is bogus?


Not bogus, being misinterpreted by you. Either that Multitude is the result of the 144.000 evangelizing those left behind, and they pay for their salvation with their lives because they are hunted down and killed by the Antichrist and the system he controls, or the great multitude represents the raptured church in heaven.

Either way its cool. You can accept either view since both have arguments supporting the view and arguments against the view.

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Because of the Rapture?

No, because they are in heaven and if they are evangelized during the great tribulation it means they dies to be present, they are NOT part of the Church, the church ceases to be open, the moment it is raptured. The church. in fac.t according to a number of views is represented by the 24 Elders.

Which view do you think is more accurate according to what you were taught?

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 05:52 PM

View PostOgbin, on 23 July 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

The 144,000 are sealed at the beginning of the 7 year tribulation. half way through the tribulation they are raptured. what do you think they are doing for 3 and a half years other than spreading the gospel of Christ??  :whistle:

The 144.000 are not raptued. They endure the Great tribulation from start to finish. along with many jews who survive and the remainder of humanity that compose what is left of the Nations of the world.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 06:01 PM

View Postand then, on 25 April 2013 - 08:49 AM, said:

The woman is Israel, the twelve stars are the tribes of Israel, the child is Christ and the moon under her feet is false religion in defeat.  It is a picture of the end state for mankind.  This is how it was explained to me - that and a buck fifty will buy you a cup of decent coffee  :yes:
The moon is the foundation of her belief. The rock of her religion. The pedestal of her faith. That  how it was explained to me.






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