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#16    Helen of Annoy

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:22 PM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 06 March 2013 - 07:36 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure that would disqualify a good 70% of the population of most of the countries of the world from citizenship of their own countries, if that was applied universally.
Depends how bloody your recent history was and how ambitious is the minority that dislikes it.  


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:44 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 05 March 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

Ah, lets see:
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If ethnic minorities don't want, or can't learn Latvian language, remember bits of history, constitution, national anthem, thats not the problem of Latvia.
I know. No anti Latvian problems, just thought I would put those figures in to make topic less one sided :)


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:52 PM

Apparently, most Latvians don't want to join the euro, so their government isn't listening to them.  Though I suppose their government can't do anything about it considering that Latvia, like all EU countries except Britain and Denmark, must join the euro at some point.

Latvia heads for eurozone despite wary population

http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-20250163

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:43 PM

View PostTheLastLazyGun, on 06 March 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

Apparently, most Latvians don't want to join the euro, so their government isn't listening to them.  Though I suppose their government can't do anything about it considering that Latvia, like all EU countries except Britain and Denmark, must join the euro at some point.

Latvia heads for eurozone despite wary population

http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-20250163

It's like governments worldwide are not even pretending to be democracies anymore. And there are many people (even on this forum) who giving away parts of your sovereignty to an unelected elite is a good thing.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:00 PM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 06 March 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

It's like governments worldwide are not even pretending to be democracies anymore. And there are many people (even on this forum) who giving away parts of your sovereignty to an unelected elite is a good thing.

What’s the alternative?
Democratic Russia? lol.

EU has its huge faults, but it is useful construction at the moment, from my perspective, which is not that different from Latvian perspective – I guess.

Euroscepticism is fine for people in countries that are not in danger to be pushed into sphere of influence (euphemism for half Europe large gulag) they escaped a while ago for a set of damn good reasons.
It’s easy to forget recent past of others, Latvia for example, but they haven’t forgotten yet.
Too soon. Some 200-300 years too soon. At least.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:10 PM

So if the mighty EU was not there, then all of Eastern Europe would once again be swallowed up by the Russian Bear? Like the EU would be able to do the slightest thing about it if Putin was to decide to reassemble the USSR?

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:20 PM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 06 March 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

So if the mighty EU was not there, then all of Eastern Europe would once again be swallowed up by the Russian Bear? Like the EU would be able to do the slightest thing about it if Putin was to decide to reassemble the USSR?

Not so melodramatically, but it's easier to manipulate small entities back into sphere of influence, using endangered Russian bear minorities whose horrible fate was mourned on the page 1. Annoying the **** out me, because the exact same strategy was used over here, even the magic number of 300,000 Orthodox martyrs who lost their god given right to crap on everyone else’s head.

Tell me if I’m paranoid or there was a whole ****en war with intention to hammer my country back into ****en ex-Yugoslavia that never took its nose out of Russian butt.

I apologize for the language I used.
Now I’ll go kick the wall screaming obscenities in historic context.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:41 PM

View Poststevewinn, on 05 March 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

WHO IS Latvia? exactly. -
I think I found it on Wikipedia;

Latveria is a fictional nation in the Marvel Comics Universe. It is an isolated European country ruled by the supervillain Doctor Doom, supposedly located in the Banat region. It is surrounded by the Carpathian Mountains, and also borders Symkaria (home of Silver Sable) to the south. Its capital is Doomstadt.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:23 AM

So they have escaped the Soviet Bloc, to join the Euro Zone,as the saying goes "out of the Frying Pan into the fire",

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 06:57 AM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 06 March 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

So if the mighty EU was not there, then all of Eastern Europe would once again be swallowed up by the Russian Bear? Like the EU would be able to do the slightest thing about it if Putin was to decide to reassemble the USSR?

You seem to have forgotten that it is NATO that guarantees the apparent Freedom of its members. If Old Eastern Bloc nations elect to join NATO then they also fall under its protection. 21 EU members are also members of NATO (Ireland, Sweden, Finland, Austria, Malta and Cyprus are not) and the two organisations work very closely together.


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 07:44 AM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 06 March 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

It's like governments worldwide are not even pretending to be democracies anymore. And there are many people (even on this forum) who giving away parts of your sovereignty to an unelected elite is a good thing.
I am not much of a fan of democracy.  People fool themselves into thinking that they have a voice in democratic systems, and I guess they do, a teeny-tiny little voice that no one hears.  The people are too easily swayed by propaganda and clever TV, by grandstanding and simple solutions.  Look at how popular Chavez is in Venezuela in spite of the mess he has made of their economy.  He makes a big deal of "helping the poor" and the poor are swept along because they think maybe they will get something.

Republics put a layer of elected representatives between the people and government, and this helps mitigate the problem, although even here people rarely have anything more than the vaguest notion of who they are voting for, and are swayed by all sorts of irrelevancies like looks and TV skills and family and negative mudsling ads and name recognition.


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 07:56 AM

View Postkeithisco, on 07 March 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

You seem to have forgotten that it is NATO that guarantees the apparent Freedom of its members. If Old Eastern Bloc nations elect to join NATO then they also fall under its protection. 21 EU members are also members of NATO (Ireland, Sweden, Finland, Austria, Malta and Cyprus are not) and the two organisations work very closely together.
Yes, but NATO and the EU are two quite seperate organisations, aren't they. The only way that the EU could defend one of its Members against some other country would be to threaten to swamp whoever was acting aggressively with Directives.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 08:00 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 07 March 2013 - 07:44 AM, said:

I am not much of a fan of democracy. People fool themselves into thinking that they have a voice in democratic systems, and I guess they do, a teeny-tiny little voice that no one hears. The people are too easily swayed by propaganda and clever TV, by grandstanding and simple solutions. Look at how popular Chavez is in Venezuela in spite of the mess he has made of their economy. He makes a big deal of "helping the poor" and the poor are swept along because they think maybe they will get something.

That's probably because he stood up to the mighty Uncle Sam, which is always a way to make yourself popular (see also: Ahmadjibajad). Or Fidel Castro.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 10:49 AM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 06 March 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

It's like governments worldwide are not even pretending to be democracies anymore.

Especially those on Continental Europe.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:11 AM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 07 March 2013 - 08:00 AM, said:

That's probably because he stood up to the mighty Uncle Sam, which is always a way to make yourself popular (see also: Ahmadjibajad). Or Fidel Castro.
Standing up to Uncle Sam is a bit foolish.  What Uncle Sam did was pretty much ignore him except quitely pump some but not much money to his enemies, and start buying their oil elsewhere.   (Of course as much as he mismanged things the Venezuelans don't have much oil to sell now).  Still, that sort of demagoguery has always gone down well with the masses -- part of why I don't trust democracy.

View PostTheLastLazyGun, on 07 March 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

Especially those on Continental Europe.
That is so as to get something done.





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