Are we all experiencing a virtual reality?

[WilliamW]

Hi

Wondering about life the universe and everything, I wrote this today. Your thoughtful comments are most welcome.

Real Universe?

If we think about the TRON movie - when inside the computer the

consciousness

is the thing doing the experiencing and might think of where it came from as 'the real universe'.

Yet in the Matrix movie, the 'real universe' is not where Neo came from, but where he woke up in - plugged into the machine.

Which universe is 'real'? - How would consciousness know except to say that wherever it finds itself occupied and experiencing, THAT is the real universe, because the only real thing is

Consciousness.

Lets say that this universe we are occupied within now - the physical one - life on Earth is a simulation.

Lets say that there are two main teams of entities. They are playing a game.

These entities are us, playing a game.

But not 'us' as we think of ourselves in this universe.

The object of the game is to outwit the opposition in order to win the game - one team is trying to get its humans to build a paradise for themselves on the

planet

- (which is the game field) the other team is trying to get the humans to build a prison for themselves on the same 'battle' field. (Earth)

In 'the real world' of the game players neither team are actually enemies. They are simply playing a game.

The rules of the game say that the team which is trying to get the 'humans' to create a prison for themselves are allowed to lie, cheat, disrupt, infiltrate...you name it...in order to achieve the goal.

The goal is not only to get the prison built, but to secure it completely so that the other team has no moves left and End Game.

The other thing about the game is that the teams playing are doing so from two perspectives - a part of their consciousness is actually being within the game played. Within the life forms - specifically the human life forms (the played).

The greater part of the players consciousness is in their real world.

Another aspect of the game is that the played - the humans - also have a say in what happens in the game being played.

In order for this to happen, the humans have to connect with the player - think of a SIM - you observe the SIM going about his/her normal business within the game completely unaware they are even in a game.

Then your SIM starts to piece together clues which lead it to behavior which allows for the possibility of connection and communication with you - the player.

The process of connection - SIM to Game-Player is rare and can aid the player toward another goal.

Players have to align their game play depending on what their humans choose.

This means that should a players human choose to work for building paradise on the game field and the player was on the build a prison team - then the player aligns its game play support to the 'build a paradise' team and vice versa.

Earth is not even the only level of the Game - the human eventually dies and goes to the next level, which is even more complex - so there are a number of goals the players are trying to achieve with their human SIMS - remembering that each human is an aspect of the player - literally part of the players consciousness.

To add to the complexity - the consciousness of the player within the game-piece of the human is normally like a silent observer - experiencing the human’s life but not being that human. Sometime a player (regardless of what team it is on) will subtly manipulate the human piece in certain directions if the human is ‘sensitive’ to that process.

The player – in placing an aspect of its consciousness into the human piece to ‘power it up’ causes something to be created which is called "Ego" which is used by the human to make sense of his existence and the ego exists precisely because the player remains largely a silent observer - the human does not know that he/she is actually a player with an entirely different existence - the human is born and other egos which were formed before it was born explain to it what it is and why it exists and thus the ego is shaped or reproduced by those egos already existing.

If the individual ego follows a path which has it questioning its existence, the things it has been taught by other egos etc...that ego has a better chance of connecting with that silent observer - the game player - and if that occurs then the game changes - not the whole game, but that egos part in the game.

As mentioned, upon death of the human form, depending on its level of understanding and belief systems and other factors, that conscious ego continues in the new game level.

The next level (after death) is a continuation from the first level. It is still part of the simulation but the game field has changed.

The extended object of this whole game is to get all the players on the same team.

This means that in order to do so, the human ego has to understand fully what it is and where it originates - that it is not just the product of the egos which came before it and educated it but it is way more than this...when this is fully achieved, the human 'wakes up' as the player. But not just as the player...but as a player who has gone through the process of being within the game and from within the game came to the realization that it is not just the ego but is the player...like the two merge and are one - so the player has - by playing the game - become something else through that process.

So if we (humans/egos) assume that we live in a simulated universe could relativity be false in the real universe?

The 'real universe' from the player’s perspective is outside the game being played. It is the highest level achievable within the game context because when the object is achieved, that player has won the game and can leave the game.

As to the possibility that once the player leaves the game, is that players reality part of another game being played, the answer is likely 'yes' and the player needed to go through the 'Earth/Astral' game and win it in order to then play the next game.

So individual players can win the game by no longer being part of it due to their bringing the ego human into full consciousness and literally bringing that out of the Earth/Astral game field and into the players own reality.

The other players, who are still working their humans or simply going along with the ride, are still in the game.

If the real

win

of the game is to bring a human ego out of that game and into full consciousness as to what it is and where it derived then why are the players working to use the humans to either build a paradise or a prison on the game-board? (Earth)

*The answer has to do with a game that is being played at yet another level using the

players

as pieces by yet another level of game players who created the game players universe (game-board) which those game-players (the ones which created the Earth game and use human game pieces) are unaware of...they too did not realize that they were pieces in another game and thus come to that awareness in much the same way as the human ego comes to that awareness.

The game (paradise or prison) had an unexpected twist...an unlikely possibility.

A possibility which the ‘prison’ team are allowed to undermine using whatever tricks they are able to come up with.

The prison team whose humans try and connect with them will create the necessary illusions in order that those humans work for the process of prison building. If those humans see through the illusion and change their alliance then the player shifts its support to the paradise team The human pieces can individually connect with their game players through the common thread of consciousness and in doing so allow the

player

to realize that there was more to the game than simply trying to get humans to build a paradise or a prison...and through this realization another level opens up to their awareness...*

[StarMountainKid]

Nice.

[Ever Learning]

youve ruined the ' i think, so there fore i exist' thing lol, very interesting idea. i might have to read it again, to get my head round the whole concept

[_Only]

I'd imagine the "players" would be throwing their theoretical tables they're sitting at, hearing you call it a "game".

"This is serious ******* business!"

[WilliamW]

I'd imagine the "players" would be throwing their theoretical tables they're sitting at, hearing you call it a "game".

"This is serious ******* business!"

Not at all! Delete that imagination!

They are just happy that I call it any*******thing!

[Professor T]

Wow, Very thoughtfull questioning.

I think you summed it all up when you said the only real thing is Consciousness.

Which universe is 'real'? - How would consciousness know except to say that wherever it finds itself occupied and experiencing, THAT is the real universe, because the only real thing is Consciousness.

This being the case, wouldn't the Game be Conscious? Including and all the players, both teams, all observers?

[Rlyeh]

Are we all? No, because this is your (unsupported) assertion.

If consciousness is the only "real" thing, how does something "fake" switch consciousness off?

Edited July 12, 2012 by Rlyeh

[Professor T]

Are we all? No, because this is your (unsupported) assertion.

If consciousness is the only "real" thing, how does something "fake" switch consciousness off?

Of course this is an Unsupported assertion. Science has not found the root of consiousness, and the religions can't agree.

It's good that people like WilliamW theorise the subject, and ask the questions that science has avoided.

Not sure what you mean about something "fake" and switch conciousness off?

if it's sleep you are talking about, then it's a natual biological function, and we do dream, and are aware of sleeping.

if it's being drugged or KO'd, then you may have a point, though some people do have OBE's and are effectively out of the game but still Conscious. We dream every night, but often suffer amnesia so remember our dreams every morning.

[Rlyeh]

Of course this is an Unsupported assertion. Science has not found the root of consiousness, and the religions can't agree.

It's good that people like WilliamW theorise the subject, and ask the questions that science has avoided.

Neuroscience has tracked it to the brain, but some would rather to continue their magical thinking.

Not sure what you mean about something "fake" and switch conciousness off?

Unconsciousness, as in no longer being conscious.

[White Crane Feather]

Neuroscience has tracked it to the brain, but some would rather to continue their magical thinking.

Unconsciousness, as in no longer being conscious.

Actually there is no such thing as unconsciousness. Your brain continues to be aware and working until its dead. Just because you cannot remember says nothing about what your brain was experiencing. If I knock you in the head and you don't remember yesterday that does not mean you were unconciouse yesterday. Only that you forgot.

[White Crane Feather]

If I were on the prison team, I would trick the paradise team into thinking they were building paradise, but really they would be building their prison.

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

If the real win of the game is to bring a human ego out of that game and into full consciousness as to what it is and where it derived then why are the players working to use the humans to either build a paradise or a prison on the game-board? (Earth)

Good way to philosophise the concept/ game of duality, and yes the integration with the 'higher self' instead of playing with the 'ego consciousness' is significant and changes everything. The ego mind is actually blind to the game though, and keeps the human in a state of stasis, not proactive, not aware, asleep and stuck in the prison / matrix / illusion. You could argue that this makes the game unfair and unbalanced because there are beings in the game who try to sabotage or manipulate consciousness in order to keep it divided and from integrating as a whole ( unity ) and from choosing their alignment freely.

The question is why ? and is this what the game was really supposed to be ?

[Rlyeh]

Actually there is no such thing as unconsciousness. Your brain continues to be aware and working until its dead. Just because you cannot remember says nothing about what your brain was experiencing. If I knock you in the head and you don't remember yesterday that does not mean you were unconciouse yesterday. Only that you forgot.

Seems like you're confusing unconscious brain functions for consciousness, you need to get your facts straight. Someone knocked out isn't conscious, they are unconscious, by definition.

Just because you can't accept it doesn't change this fact.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Rlyeh

[WilliamW]

Wow, Very thoughtfull questioning.

I think you summed it all up when you said the only real thing is Consciousness.

This being the case, wouldn't the Game be Conscious? Including and all the players, both teams, all observers?

Could you expand on this question please as I am not quiet clear on you question...I think I know what you are saying but...

[WilliamW]

Are we all? No, because this is your (unsupported) assertion.

If consciousness is the only "real" thing, how does something "fake" switch consciousness off?

Are we all what?

Firstly as an individual human game-piece you can be knocked unconscious (switched off) but your Player is still conscious and it is only because the consciousness within human form no longer has a properly functioning brain area that it limbo’s out.

It is not ‘off’ really. Once the brain area is functioning again, it is able to use that body and the game environment once more.

In a collective sense, the flow of consciousness is never off – birth and death are a constant flow of Player consciousness.

[WilliamW]

Of course this is an Unsupported assertion. Science has not found the root of consiousness, and the religions can't agree.

It's good that people like WilliamW theorise the subject, and ask the questions that science has avoided.

Not sure what you mean about something "fake" and switch conciousness off?

if it's sleep you are talking about, then it's a natual biological function, and we do dream, and are aware of sleeping.

if it's being drugged or KO'd, then you may have a point, though some people do have OBE's and are effectively out of the game but still Conscious. We dream every night, but often suffer amnesia so remember our dreams every morning.

Being drugged or Ko’d etc is only interfering with the paths consciousness can take. Like a river which has been dammed consciousness can be regulated in flow and like channels consciousness can be directed.

The brain of a human being is a good device for consciousness to experience being Human. Obviously.

[WilliamW]

Actually there is no such thing as unconsciousness. Your brain continues to be aware and working until its dead. Just because you cannot remember says nothing about what your brain was experiencing. If I knock you in the head and you don't remember yesterday that does not mean you were unconciouse yesterday. Only that you forgot.

“You” = consciousness and the “you” varies depending on the reality program you are within.

As suggested, within the human condition we enter the program as babies, which is the default setting.

We are not conscious of any prior existence as being a ‘player’ In this way the ‘pieces’ are not evenly distributed across both teams – it only means that there is equal chance of either team winning that piece.

The role of the prison team is to increase the chances of it gaining the most pieces.

This is done through Ego.

If we trace Ego back to its source, we end up in an ancient time.

When tribes were scattered over the game board and never even knew of each others existence.

The dominating Egos persisted and stamped their authority on other Egos – educating those Egos through various show and tell examples (which is where ‘gods’ were born) and these Egos have persisted through the ages refining themselves and controlling the human collective path.

So the default human condition is the baby. The ego develops as the conscious awareness increases and that ego is shaped by other egos.

[WilliamW]

If I were on the prison team, I would trick the paradise team into thinking they were building paradise, but really they would be building their prison.

As far as game strategies go, this is only natural

There are probably some societies which though they were creating – if not paradise then at least a form of freedom and the citizens gave their life energy to support the promises but it was illusion.

The stage of the game at present still has the opportunity to actually create a paradise and because there have been tricks and lies and false promises and other factors it will be easier to spot these and wise to look out for them.

In reality, if we are to build a paradise we need to understand the complexities involved and be able to map out the best course in order to actually make it happen.

The underlying thing about the game is that while the prison team players might win the game, the humans pieces will lose.

And that is just on this level of the game. The Astral level is similar in nature but far more complex. It is a product of human imagination and a ‘way station’ for departed Ego consciousnesses to go if they are not intimately reconnected with their Player…within the Astral it is still possible to reconnect with the Player but it is just as distracting as the previous level.

The Astral – while there is infinitely more freedom of movement for consciousness is still within the game and therefore subject to the same goal – make it a prison or a paradise.

That is why there are guides and retrievers – they are still limited in their understanding about where and what is going on – depending on their belief systems prior to leaving the Earth game board but they are not any more bound to those beliefs – they still have choice.

[Rlyeh]

Are we all what?

You haven't already forgotten the title of your own thread?

Firstly as an individual human game-piece you can be knocked unconscious (switched off) but your Player is still conscious and it is only because the consciousness within human form no longer has a properly functioning brain area that it limbo’s out.

It is not ‘off’ really. Once the brain area is functioning again, it is able to use that body and the game environment once more.

In a collective sense, the flow of consciousness is never off – birth and death are a constant flow of Player consciousness.

And I though I played too much games.

[Super-Fly]

Way over me, but when i read about life energies, it normally is.

still, interesting.

[WilliamW]

Good way to philosophise the concept/ game of duality, and yes the integration with the 'higher self' instead of playing with the 'ego consciousness' is significant and changes everything. The ego mind is actually blind to the game though, and keeps the human in a state of stasis, not proactive, not aware, asleep and stuck in the prison / matrix / illusion. You could argue that this makes the game unfair and unbalanced because there are beings in the game who try to sabotage or manipulate consciousness in order to keep it divided and from integrating as a whole ( unity ) and from choosing their alignment freely.

The question is why ? and is this what the game was really supposed to be ?

Why? Because it is a game – at least as far as the players are concerned. Are the players significant as our ‘higher selves’? Yes. Yet they too are in another game and they are being played by their higher selves.

We could look at it this way. We are being played by adolescent Players and they are being played by Adult Players.

All players are pieces. All are connected by the thread of consciousness.

At a human level, do we like being played? Well we sure like games.

But what about the suffering?

Essentially consciousness experiences suffering so the Players are aware of the suffering but this awareness may only register at insignificant levels…because the aim of the game is the focus, not how many pieces of consciousness are affected by the game – another reason astral exists. It is a place to put those affected parts.

The game couldn’t even be played if consciousness couldn’t be imbued into it.

Is this what the game is really supposed to be? In regard to being human within the game, we have the power as individuals to say what the game is supposed to be.

This is reflected in our outward expression – what we put into the game of life. We can be outnumbered by those who are not aware – but this is no barrier.

It is always about the individual reconnecting with the Player having experienced being a baby, then and ego shaped by egos then reconsidering that identity (which has been forced upon the baby) and redefining the identity.

The game in this sense takes a less important role. It is still relevant but it is not the focus of the individual. The individual focuses upon connecting and interacting with their player or higher self.

This interaction redirects the higher self players focus onto its higher self. The game becomes secondary.

There is the aspect of ‘finishing what was started’ but this is made easier with the reconnection processes.

One thing to remember. The Players are not enemies although the Prison Team are allowed to lie about that to any human piece which becomes aware enough to wonder.

[White Crane Feather]

Seems like you're confusing unconscious brain functions for consciousness, you need to get your facts straight. Someone knocked out isn't conscious, they are unconscious, by definition.

Just because you can't accept it doesn't change this fact.

Hmmm so if knock you on the head, and you don't remember your last week then you were unconcious during those days? Somone who is knocked out or asleep is still experiencing things. This I can promise you.

[WilliamW]

[/color]You haven't already forgotten the title of your own thread?

And I though I played too much games.

Ah the question is...are we all experiencing a virtual reality? That is the question.

We either all are or we all are not. That is the answer.

The clues which suggest that we very definitively may just actually be experiencing a virtual reality are available for the individual to discover. Indeed it would not be a topic of discussion a movie/story concept etc ... anywhere, if those clues were not available.

[Rlyeh]

Hmmm so if knock you on the head, and you don't remember your last week then you were unconcious during those days? Somone who is knocked out or asleep is still experiencing things. This I can promise you.

Do you really not know the difference between amnesia and loss of consciousness? Do you even know the definition of consciousness?

I'm not sure if you're deliberately mixing conscious and unconscious brain functions, and calling them "consciousness". But I can guarantee when unconscious, you are not mentally experiencing anything.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Rlyeh

[Rlyeh]

Ah the question is...are we all experiencing a virtual reality? That is the question.

We either all are or we all are not. That is the answer.

I prefer answers that can be supported, not the ones made up.