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[Cybele]

puridalan, on 04 May 2010 - 09:23 PM, said:

Adding: Just because psychics can 'see things' they aren't trained on how to kill people naturally lol, they aren't naturally born a superhero along with the vision to 'see'. Soooo, that brings up to the next point why they have spies, because they are trained for yeeeears on how to be 'sneaky' and kill people and inflitrate.

I think its hilarious when people expect remote viewers to not only be able to see things, but complete the whole dam mission by themselves. Sure they can see things, but other issues remain like umm killing people..and it would suck if your top remote viewer on the first day got shot by someone..I mean sure they can see things...but remember no one can see evvvverything..there are a billion things going on at once..you have to pick and choose just hope its the right..thats why you have a team..and thats why you still have trained men and technology helping

its to get the best advantage possible, and in the smartest and safest way...just addin those viewpoints in

That's not what I was implying at all. If they really can see things that are useful to an investigation, they would largely eliminate the need for spies. You're confusing spies with assassins. A spy gathers information; assassins do the killing. No one would ask remote viewers to see everything, just the perp, murder weapon, etc. pertaining to a specific crime that took place at a specific location. Should be easy enough if people can do what they claim.

Edited by Cybele, 04 May 2010 - 09:38 PM.

[puridalan]

Yes, there are degrees of remote viewers, and some are better than others..just as I explain you have people who can play recreational soccer, some highschool, fewer college and the top the pros. That is what needs to also be taken account the degree into which people can see things. And they've been used before on that type of stuff and many still are in the community today for certain case investigations. It's not like it's not happening today, it certainly is.

[puridalan]

Adding: it's how many pro remote viewers you got is the problem, when I was younger and did remote view randomly as a kid I thought evvveryone could do it, I found out growing up that was a lie, and that not as many people as I thought could do it that 'controlled'. Though still people can, and then its taking into account finding individuals who want to use this to help the gov't..as some choose different paths, I'm choosing medical to put mine to use.

The other problem is tooons of people go missing/homocide/killed ect, billions of cases each second and only x amount of people to help deal with it. There are people out there helping in cases along side the gov't who have inutition of the sorts and work as investigators, simply though they can only work on a handful of cases, and not a 'million' of them, so it might seem like none exist because they are barely making a dent.

Again other points, then your point which I would agree with and can't leave out..you got fakes and liars!

[Cybele]

puridalan, on 04 May 2010 - 09:46 PM, said:

The other problem is tooons of people go missing/homocide/killed ect, billions of cases each second and only x amount of people to help deal with it. There are people out there helping in cases along side the gov't who have inutition of the sorts and work as investigators, simply though they can only work on a handful of cases, and not a 'million' of them, so it might seem like none exist because they are barely making a dent.

I'd think that the government and police forces would get their most talented remote viewers to work on the most important, unsolved cases. Finding terror suspects and predicting attacks would be very high up on the U.S. government's list. Why aren't we hearing about notable cases being solved and terrorists being apprehended due to the work of psychics? There just hasn't been enough convincing evidence for these institutions to want to hire psychics on any serious basis.

Think about it. If these powers exist, then they've been around for as long as humans have. If they existed and were really all that useful, societies would have discovered ways to utilize them and they wouldn't be considered fringe beliefs at all at this point in history.

Edit: Sorry to the OP for getting so off topic.

Edited by Cybele, 04 May 2010 - 10:32 PM.

[Cybele]

Spain Sun, on 04 May 2010 - 09:28 PM, said:

Not even going to go into the possibility that spirits may not exist.

Why exactly would you want to do this?

For proof, obviously. I feel the same way as he does.  After a while, though, you realize that all these methods people say they have been able to use to contact spirits, like Ouija Boards, channeling, etc. don't really work at all when you try them for yourself. The best a person can hope for, in my opinion, is a highly subjective experience that isn't really proof of anything external at all.

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

Cybele, on 04 May 2010 - 10:41 PM, said:

After a while, though, you realize that all these methods people say they have been able to use to contact spirits, like Ouija Boards, channeling, etc. don't really work at all when you try them for yourself.

Weirdly, the majority of people I happen to know who've experienced something paranormal/metaphysical never started out from a position where they were seeking proof of the paranormal. Their experiences just happened in the way that life experiences do just happen and unfold and typically in the most mundane of ways.  That's just an observation.

It's something to consider because if you are focused on looking for something which you have no experience of, and you are doing so from a specific angle, then you may risk entirely missing what you are looking for, the experience.  Esp since so much of it exists in a non physical sense. It's always going to come back to 3 things - level of perception, level of receptiveness and level of awareness. Approaching this with an open mind is pivotal, no biasims or expectations attached. I really think it's why so many people experience things in the most mundane settings and situations. Because consciously they are caught off-guard when something does occur and are little more receptive as a consequence in the moment.

The methods you outline above do and can work for some people, but it's got to be understood that all these methods are, are tools for focusing energy/expression of intention. They are not the catalyst for creating something and never will be. YOU are and you are the ultimate tool. Some people find some tools work better than others and not everyone is going to be same or even need them to operate.  

Anyway this of course is just what i think...It's also nice to see a respectable discussion running on both sides for once, keep it up everyone

Edited by SupeRgirl, 04 May 2010 - 11:23 PM.

[puridalan]

Well said super, espeically about you being the tool (amen) lol now hasta la vista

[Cybele]

SupeRgirl, on 04 May 2010 - 11:22 PM, said:

It's something to consider because if you are focused on looking for something which you have no experience of, and you are doing so from a specific angle, then you may risk entirely missing what you are looking for, the experience. Esp since so much of it exists in a non physical sense. It's always going to come back to 3 things - level of perception, level of receptiveness and level of awareness. Approaching this with an open mind is pivotal, no biasims or expectations attached. I really think it's why so many people experience things in the most mundane settings and situations. Because consciously they are caught off-guard when something does occur and are little more receptive as a consequence in the moment.

Well I'd say I very much agree if the phenomenon we're talking about is subjective, something that results from a state of mind, rather than something external and intelligent manifesting of its own will. The OP, I believe, is talking about intelligent spirits and physical manifestations which he can video tape. If objective proof can be obtained, then these types of beings can't always depend on a person's level of perception, receptiveness or awareness in order to appear.

[puridalan]

Everything we DO is subjective, NOTHING is purely objective, because 50 percent of human expierence is subjective..it doesn't matter hooow 'scientific' you get...subjectivity will always remain in  the end.

Anywho the military doesn't care to the T that not everything can be explained, neither do people in general, because if they find something that works..even though they don't understand how it works..they are going to use it. Now, I am not saying their aren't cons to go with this, nor am I saying that scientific community isn't important..far from it, just saying that we as humans cannot escape subjectivity entirely, and in many cases this isn't a 'negative' thing but rather positive and in some cases more insightful.

Edited by puridalan, 05 May 2010 - 12:23 AM.

[Cybele]

puridalan, on 05 May 2010 - 12:22 AM, said:

Everything we DO is subjective, NOTHING is purely objective, because 50 percent of human expierence is subjective..it doesn't matter hooow 'scientific' you get...subjectivity will always remain in  the end.

What I meant by subjective is a more personal experience, mostly in your head. Something is objective if you're able to capture it on camera or show it to a friend. Hearing the voice of your grandmother in your head is subjective. You and three of your friends witnessing an apparition and later agreeing on the smallest details of the figure...that would be objective. It's much easier to believe in something if there's documented evidence, or other witnesses to back up your story.

[Sakari]

Can I have my topic back now

Ok , without quoting people numerous times....

1. Why would I do this ? ..... Because I read so many articles/topics of " evil spirits in my house" etc....Than , I saw a topic stating " How do I get evil spirits out of my house"...So , I saw that and decided it would probably be much easier to get them into a house than out of one , and than I can film these things and what they do....

2. Stupid to do , idiot thing to do....?.....Ok , for me it is not stupid , I do not believe Demons or evil spirits exist , I do not believe if there is even any kind of "ghost" , that it can actually harm anyone...So , it is not stupid to me....

I took a few pictures , stared at them , wrote down what came to my head....And nothing that makes any sence , and actually , these things come to my head anyway....

I did not ask how to be a "medium" , I asked how to get some of these mean nasty , furniture breaking evil things to me...I would really like to experience this paranormal event...And again , yes , I am serious.....

To make this clear....I see soooo many of these " evil spirit/demons" topics , it should be pretty dang easy , now shouldn't it?.....Especially all of the warnings to using a Ouiji board...I did exactlly what people said NOT TO DO !!!!....Nothing , notta , zip.....

Let's call this the " Prove it does not exist" theory for the " believers"......Well , so far ,I have been doing one heck of a job.....
Now if someone could help me with these evil spirits , I would love nothing more than to say " dangit , I could not prove they do not exist".....

If anyone read other topics I had , "Bigfoot and Joan Ocean "..Yes , a quack...I did what she said and left a "note" with a pen for the "ancient ones"...It has been sitting back in our property now for 2 plus months un-touched...So , I am proving they do not exist either.( The Joan Ocean version).....

Back to my original question......Someone let me know...

P.S.  Paganism has nothing to do with calling in evil spirits , whoever offered that idea was just dead wrong....But , I tried it anyway  

[louisvilleseeker]

did i say pagan?
lol, i meant wiccan. i get those mixed up more than i should. @.@

[puridalan]

Neither one is evil -.-

[Sakari]

puridalan, on 05 May 2010 - 01:06 AM, said:

Neither one is evil -.-

Exactly...

soooo...Any takers yet?

[louisvilleseeker]

puridalan, on 05 May 2010 - 01:06 AM, said:

Neither one is evil -.-

as i implied neither.
i just said i get them confused.