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#31    Sir Wearer of Hats

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:09 PM

View Postaztek, on 07 January 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

soviets never invaded poland in 1939, or any other year
http://en.wikipedia....asion_of_Poland


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:13 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 07 January 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

Damn it!  :yes:  Didn’t need to make it easy for him….  He should have tried googling it before replying anyway.

Edited by RavenHawk, 07 January 2013 - 11:14 PM.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:40 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 07 January 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

Just more feel-good BS that won't solve the real problem.
Glad to see it isn't just me that has noticed the media blowing out as much sunshine as they can as of late. I about died laughing when they proudly announced 155,000 new jobs have been added. Oh really princess goofball, and how many jobs were lost? Idiots.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:47 AM

Adam Lanza successfully ignored every one of these provisions, so what's "smart" about them?   Only the politics, that they were dragged out in the wake of Sandy Hook when it was PC to "do something!".   Again, legal citizens will jump through these regulations as well as pay for them on the back end; criminals will ignore the law and evade paying for their crimes as that's what criminals do.  This bill wastes the resources (time and money) of good people because of their purchase decisions.  

An easy vote, No is.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 01:28 AM

View Postaztek, on 07 January 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

soviets never invaded poland in 1939, or any other year. …
The film is called “A Forgotten Odyssey”.  It was on youtube but was taken down by the copyright holder.  So I won’t try to put it up myself.  If you desire to learn about this period then see if you can order the video.  The following link may help (http://www.derekcrow...post.aspx?id=31).  From other sources, it could have been as many as 2.5 million Poles were deported.

Also get Katyn.  Taking both in gives you an inkling of what these people went through, how they were betrayed by the world and how one way a people lose power of their own destiny by a government.  These people will tell you about liberty and freedom and how we are losing them here.  These Eight Unsmart Gun Bills are more about taking away our liberties than protecting us.  Uhmmm, that sounds like a quote???


Edited by RavenHawk, 08 January 2013 - 02:17 AM.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

View PostYamato, on 08 January 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

Adam Lanza successfully ignored every one of these provisions, so what's "smart" about them?   Only the politics, that they were dragged out in the wake of Sandy Hook when it was PC to "do something!".   Again, legal citizens will jump through these regulations as well as pay for them on the back end; criminals will ignore the law and evade paying for their crimes as that's what criminals do.  This bill wastes the resources (time and money) of good people because of their purchase decisions.  

An easy vote, No is.

I'm not certain Adam Lanza is much different that Osama bin Laden--a character in a modern day morality play.

I'm not certain Adam did any shooting at all.  Certainly the official story is full of inconsistencies and contradictions.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:58 PM

I'm not sure if new guns laws will do any good, though I'm sure some reforms are needed. Rather there needs to be a change in how guns are viewed and treated in American culture in order for there to be progress.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:58 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 08 January 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

The film is called “A Forgotten Odyssey”.  It was on youtube but was taken down by the copyright holder.  So I won’t try to put it up myself.  If you desire to learn about this period then see if you can order the video.  The following link may help (http://www.derekcrow...post.aspx?id=31).  From other sources, it could have been as many as 2.5 million Poles were deported.

Also get Katyn.  Taking both in gives you an inkling of what these people went through, how they were betrayed by the world and how one way a people lose power of their own destiny by a government.  These people will tell you about liberty and freedom and how we are losing them here.  These Eight Unsmart Gun Bills are more about taking away our liberties than protecting us.  Uhmmm, that sounds like a quote???

yes, you are correct,  i was wrong, ussr did ,turns out, invaded poland. and that fact was never thought anywhere in ussr.
however my grandparents fought alongside pols against nazis in ww2.

i didn't find anything about gun list, but i'll take your word for it.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:20 PM

View PostCorp, on 08 January 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

I'm not sure if new guns laws will do any good, though I'm sure some reforms are needed. Rather there needs to be a change in how guns are viewed and treated in American culture in order for there to be progress.

They won't do any good. For a good many of us guns are a hobby much like archery or hatchet throwing. For others they are just another tool in the drawer. For those of us that have been around them all of our lives, it's not much different than having large butcher knives or hammers.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:23 PM

View PostCorp, on 08 January 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

. Rather there needs to be a change in how guns are viewed and treated in American culture in order for there to be progress.

so how are they viwed and  treated in american culture? and how they should be treated??

Edited by aztek, 08 January 2013 - 10:24 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:21 AM

You know what sucks the most about all this? I have spend (since I was 20 years old) priding myself that I was a law abiding citizan. Even without fear of consequence. I naturaly believed in most laws. And even laws I disagreed with I felt they should be changed from the inside out. Sure I understood peacefull resistance. But nothing ever effected me enough to take such a stand. A couple came close, but I still always choose the lawful path to change it, and when that didnt happen, sure I complained, but I took the lost with little to no resistance and just accepted it.

But now Im faced with a possible situation where I have no choice but to be a criminal in the eyes of my government. I will not register my guns. I will not go through insane back ground checks where they look for information they already damn well know. And I for damn sure am not handing any of my guns over.  Next to obediance to God, the first 10 amendments are the highest principle I hold, with the upmost respect and responcibility. And from my point of view how could I believe any different? I was raised in a great school system (one of the best as far as public schools go) where I was told that many people died for me to have the right to speak. To worship however I see fit, to be armed to the teeth to defend your self and your neighbor ect ect ect right down the whole list of 10. And now Im expected to abandon the one right that I have been raised to believe, by even authority figures, heck especialy by authority figures, who I trusted and still trust including parents, teachers ect ect was the most powerful tool to fend off any and every form of tyranny. From the guy who would beat and mug you in the street, all the way up to the highest office in the land. And suddenly Im suppose to turn all that off, and cause I cant/wont Ive been called more names over the last couple weeks then at any other time in my life. This same community that raised me, this same country that raised me, as now turned on nearly every belief they instilled in me. I only thank God that Im not alone. That there are possibly enough of us to preserve what we know to be true. Cause if they arent, Then Im no longer welcomed or wanted in this world. And I have kinda always felt that way, but now more then ever.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:01 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 09 January 2013 - 03:21 AM, said:

I will not register my guns.

Honestly, why? do you have something to hide :tu:

But seriously at some point let's say you have a break with reality and you or someone does bad things with your guns. You see no benefit to registration? We register cars for crying out loud.

And your school system taught you to be armed to the teeth? An interesting concept.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:47 AM

View Postninjadude, on 09 January 2013 - 04:01 AM, said:

...let's say you have a break with reality and you or someone does bad things with your guns. You see no benefit to registration? We register cars for crying out loud.
Interesting point.

But "Do you have something to hide?" isn't the right question.   We don't flex our rights because we have something to hide sir.  We flex our rights because we do not, and the Constitution is worth defending.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:54 PM

I don't understand the reluctance to register guns.  (We don't have to in Colorado but we have.)
I register my car, my income and heck, I even register my kids.

I don't think registering is a big deal at all.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:58 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 09 January 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

I don't understand the reluctance to register guns.  (We don't have to in Colorado but we have.)
I register my car, my income and heck, I even register my kids.

I don't think registering is a big deal at all.

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