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Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]


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#3871    The Puzzler

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:50 PM

Not only van Haren but Hamconius wrote about Friso and seems he wrote more in account with what the OLB did.

Friso is a legendary king of the Frisians who is said to have ruled around 300 BC. According to Martinus Hamconius in his 17th century chronicle Frisia seu de viris rebusque illustribus, and also the 19th century Oera Linda Book, Friso was a leader of a group of Frisian colonists who had been settled in the Punjab for well over a millennium when they were discovered by Alexander the Great. Taking service with Alexander, Friso and the colonists eventually found their way back to their ancestral homeland of Frisia, where Friso founded a dynasty of kings.
Another legend has it that a red banner owned by Friso, called the Magnusvaan, is hidden at the church Almenum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friso

If no-one knew Fryans were in India and Friso came to Friesland from India via Greece, no-one would say he was originally a Fryan. They'd say he came from India. But that does not mean he has to be Indian.

Alewyn covers this part very thoroughly in his book.

In an mmm bop it's gone...

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:59 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 05 May 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:

Not only van Haren but Hamconius wrote about Friso and seems he wrote more in account with what the OLB did.

Friso is a legendary king of the Frisians who is said to have ruled around 300 BC. According to Martinus Hamconius in his 17th century chronicle Frisia seu de viris rebusque illustribus, and also the 19th century Oera Linda Book, Friso was a leader of a group of Frisian colonists who had been settled in the Punjab for well over a millennium when they were discovered by Alexander the Great. Taking service with Alexander, Friso and the colonists eventually found their way back to their ancestral homeland of Frisia, where Friso founded a dynasty of kings.
Another legend has it that a red banner owned by Friso, called the Magnusvaan, is hidden at the church Almenum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friso

If no-one knew Fryans were in India and Friso came to Friesland from India via Greece, no-one would say he was originally a Fryan. They'd say he came from India. But that does not mean he has to be Indian.

Alewyn covers this part very thoroughly in his book.

Yes, it wasn't all Van Haren's idea, but he based it on earlier prose versions of the legend.

I think I remember he based most of what he wrote on Vosmaer's version.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:12 PM

NO-ID-EA, here is what I found an interesting part of the poem, and I have posted the transltion:

http://www.unexplain...60#entry3885479

http://www.unexplain...50#entry4118755

I made a typo in the translation: rumpour should be rumour


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:58 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 05 May 2013 - 12:59 PM, said:

Yes, it wasn't all Van Haren's idea, but he based it on earlier prose versions of the legend.

I think I remember he based most of what he wrote on Vosmaer's version.

Yes, that's the guy.

Van Haren used Vosmaer's version of the legend because it was - in Van Haren's eyes - the most sane.

Former versions had Friso return by sailing round Africa instead of through the Med, others had him come from Israel.

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Edited by Abramelin, 05 May 2013 - 02:08 PM.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 06:18 PM

And this newspaper article tells us that there was someone - dr. G.A.Wumkes - who thought it was no one else but Willem van Haren who wrote the OLB:

http://www.archiefle...oera,linda,vler


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:36 PM

What a strange story of Van Haren and its coroner (assumed to died within a year? taking a candy at Van Haren's home).
That's what most coroners should do: take a candy in the house of the victim :-)

Now, why should Van Haren be killed?

Edited by Van Gorp, 05 May 2013 - 07:36 PM.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:50 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 05 May 2013 - 06:18 PM, said:

And this newspaper article tells us that there was someone - dr. G.A.Wumkes - who thought it was no one else but Willem van Haren who wrote the OLB:

http://www.archiefle...oera,linda,vler

This article was new to me.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:53 PM

I am glad we talk about the OLB again.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:17 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 05 May 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

NO-ID-EA, here is what I found an interesting part of the poem, and I have posted the transltion:

http://www.unexplain...60#entry3885479

http://www.unexplain...50#entry4118755

I made a typo in the translation: rumpour should be rumour


Thanks for that ......All very mysterious , whats he talking about though , who are the rivers , are they kings , is the ocean the king of kings . like the popes Holy See.

/Sea ..........if he is only talking about a flood , how did it help Britain to obtain an Empire ..................was it the Celtic empire that was taken over ???


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 11:12 PM

View PostNO-ID-EA, on 05 May 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

Thanks for that ......All very mysterious , whats he talking about though , who are the rivers , are they kings , is the ocean the king of kings . like the popes Holy See.

/Sea ..........if he is only talking about a flood , how did it help Britain to obtain an Empire ..................was it the Celtic empire that was taken over ???

He was a poet, and like poets do, he talked in ''mysterious ways'.

The part I translated was about how Britain got separated from the European mainland.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:08 AM

View PostKnul, on 05 May 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

This article was new to me.

I have posted about it a year or so ago. The complete article is on my blog:

http://oeralinda.blo...er Muiderkring?


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:17 PM

View PostKnul, on 05 May 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

I am glad we talk about the OLB again.
I don't believe we've stopped talking about it, for 3 years, next month. :w00t:

In an mmm bop it's gone...

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:30 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 05 May 2013 - 11:12 PM, said:

He was a poet, and like poets do, he talked in ''mysterious ways'.

The part I translated was about how Britain got separated from the European mainland.

Cool, thanks for the translation, I probably read it before but enjoyed it again.

If the Fryan land went to the Mediterranean Sea to Kadik (Cadiz), it WOULD probably include all those rivers - as you mentioned the rivers in your translation post.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:56 PM

View PostNO-ID-EA, on 05 May 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

Thanks for that ......All very mysterious , whats he talking about though , who are the rivers , are they kings , is the ocean the king of kings . like the popes Holy See.

/Sea ..........if he is only talking about a flood , how did it help Britain to obtain an Empire ..................was it the Celtic empire that was taken over ???

Yes the ocean is the king of kings, Poseidon/Triton and he mentions Amphitrite too, wife of Poseidon in Greek myths. Talking about Britain/Albion being separated from the European mainland. I believe the water barrier of the Channel helped keep England safer for some time which allowed it time to build to a solo power position, which it would not have done had it been part of the European mainland still.

Abe, maybe it's not Doggerland area but the SOUTH of England he's speaking of that was separated in this poem.

Cornwall could be associated with being Amphitrites throne easy enough.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 03:02 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 06 May 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

Cool, thanks for the translation, I probably read it before but enjoyed it again.

If the Fryan land went to the Mediterranean Sea to Kadik (Cadiz), it WOULD probably include all those rivers - as you mentioned the rivers in your translation post.

The reason Van Haren left out those other rivers (Meuse, Thames, Scheldt, Rhine) is maybe because he assumed the flood started in the Atlantic, west of Spain/Portugal and France.  We now know it started west of Norway, the Storegga Slide, 6150 BCE.





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