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#76    psyche101

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 11:10 PM

View PostOniomancer, on 29 April 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

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LOL, I reckon seeing as I only paid $550.00 brand new for mine in Aussie dollars, that we should all save up and by one! I think that is awesome value, much bang for your buck with the Dob :D


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 11:13 PM

View Postpallidin, on 29 April 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

:alien:  Hello, puny, primitive, barely able to sctratch one's ears, earthings. My name is Zork. Any questions before we blast your planet?  :alien:



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:26 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 29 April 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

Yeah, the arguments are so persuasive, that it is certain that we are the only inhabited planet in the cosmos.

I have yet to see anybody try to argue that.

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There is simply no way that other beings could exist or know how to travel in time and dimensions.  Heck, how could there be other dimensions?  Humans don't know about it, so it must not exist. :whistle:

What a pathetic strawman. Again, can you point me to a single poster claiming that no other beings exist? No, you can't. Secondly, with our technological level it is not possible to traverse the vastness of space. however, maybe some ET can. Who knows? We are not arguing about some imaginary ET race somewhere, of which we know nothing. We are debating the evidence for ET visitation here on Earth. And that is, to put it mildly, seriously lacking!

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:43 AM

View Postseeder, on 18 April 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:


That's awesome. I'm definitely going to use that in the future.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:16 AM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 29 April 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

The Whalers & Honey Boo-Boo ! :tu:
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:32 AM

Well, "could be" and "is" are two different things. It is indeed very possible that there is advanced ET life somewhere in the vastness of the cosmos. And, it "could be" that said ET life has paid the Earth a visit...but ET visitation "is not" a fact at this point in time.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:46 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 29 April 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

Never heard of Jacques Vallee have you? Held in high regard here amongst many members, and quite possibly I think all of us are struggling to keep up with him.

The main difference being fantasy and reality. Yes space is big, mind bogglingly so in fact, yet you assume that some alien has managed to cross it, why? Can you tell me why I should believe a bunch of super beings out there managed to overcome physics, and why only such advanced species exist out there? Why don't species like ourselves ever make contact when we have had the ability to travel Interstellar space since the 60's? Why is it we seem to be the only species in the galaxy who canot surpass light, and why are we avoided because of this? Seems a little convenient, like such has been written to support a particular argument I would think?

Firstly, I think the knowledge man does not possess is far greater than the knowledge he does possess.  "crossing space" might very well be an example of what we might not know.  As the Moody Blues sang decades ago, thinking is the best way to travel.  They might be right.

Secondly, as one lady put it on TV a few weeks back, now with the success at the Hadron Collider, we can now say that there are no mathematical restrictions against exceeding the speed of light.  That implies alot.  I guess before Higgs, we were restricted, mathematically, by Einstein's theory, which many knew was imperfect.

There is much evidence that we have been visited, and even more evidence that governments round the world have suppressed this evidence.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:22 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 29 April 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

Yeah, the arguments are so persuasive, that it is certain that we are the only inhabited planet in the cosmos.  There is simply no way that other beings could exist or know how to travel in time and dimensions.  Heck, how could there be other dimensions?  Humans don't know about it, so it must not exist. :whistle:

Who is saying that exactly?

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:28 PM

The idea is that the universe is so big aliens must exist out there somewhere, and this is proof that we have been and are being visited by them but the world's governments in a big conspiracy hide the fact.  This is usually listed by logicians as a "non sequitur."


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:40 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 30 April 2013 - 01:28 PM, said:

The idea is that the universe is so big aliens must exist out there somewhere, and this is proof that we have been and are being visited by them but the world's governments in a big conspiracy hide the fact.  This is usually listed by logicians as a "non sequitur."

Exactly, the hypothesis that there's most likely intelligent life elsewhere in the universe does *zip/zero/nada* to support the "we've been visited by them" hypothesis.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 04:29 PM

View PostRafterman, on 29 April 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:



Actually that's not true at all.

You can say the same thing about whether or not my neighbor routinely has flaming squirrels shooting out of his.  I don't know for certain that he doesn't and you don't know for certain that he does - but I can be confident in saying it doesn't happen given the evidence at hand.

I see what you are saying, but flaming squirrels is obviously absurd. ETs on the other hand Even Stephen Hawking(google it) says that there's probably something to that...


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 04:42 PM

View PostMidyin, on 30 April 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

I see what you are saying, but flaming squirrels is obviously absurd. ETs on the other hand Even Stephen Hawking(google it) says that there's probably something to that...
But there's a world of difference between the claim that ETs exist, and that ETs have visited our solar system and left artefacts on the moon.

Did Stephen Hawking say that there's probably something to the idea that extraterrestrials exist or to the idea that they have been to the moon and there is evidence of their visit(s)?  Not that it really matters, Stephen Hawking is a world class expert on subjects like astrophysics, cosmology, etc. and not on whether or not ETs exist.  He may be a far smarter man than me, but like anyone, should not be taken as an authority on anything outside his areas of expertise.

It is the specific claim that there are alien artefacts or anomalies on the moon that people are objecting to, not the more general claim of the mere existence of ETs somewhere out there.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:08 PM

View PostArchimedes, on 30 April 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

But there's a world of difference between the claim that ETs exist, and that ETs have visited our solar system and left artefacts on the moon.

Did Stephen Hawking say that there's probably something to the idea that extraterrestrials exist or to the idea that they have been to the moon and there is evidence of their visit(s)?  Not that it really matters, Stephen Hawking is a world class expert on subjects like astrophysics, cosmology, etc. and not on whether or not ETs exist.  He may be a far smarter man than me, but like anyone, should not be taken as an authority on anything outside his areas of expertise.

It is the specific claim that there are alien artefacts or anomalies on the moon that people are objecting to, not the more general claim of the mere existence of ETs somewhere out there.

He said (I'm paraphrasing) mathematically the probability of ETs existing is REALLY high, but he also later said that trying to communicate with them would be a dumb idea because if their morality is anything like ours, they most likely will come to take what they want rather than share what they have...

This is just how I read what he said though. Here's a link..
http://www.huffingto...s_n_551035.html


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 06:22 PM

View PostMidyin, on 30 April 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

He said (I'm paraphrasing) mathematically the probability of ETs existing is REALLY high, but he also later said that trying to communicate with them would be a dumb idea because if their morality is anything like ours, they most likely will come to take what they want rather than share what they have...

This is just how I read what he said though. Here's a link..
http://www.huffingto...s_n_551035.html

From your link;

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He said: "If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn't turn out very well for the Native Americans."

According to Hawking's own words he doesn't think we have been visited yet. I do disagree with him though about aliens possibly gathering resources from Earth as it would be a relatively expensive proposition since there is an abundance of resources that are much easier to retrieve (gas clouds, asteroids, moons etc.etc) than dealing with our gravity and atmosphere.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:06 PM

I don't know why people, even authorities as respected as Stephen Hawking, always seem to assume that the Aliens would not only behave exactly like us, but exactly like us one or two hundred years ago. That they'd exterminate us or corral us into resevrations so they could exploit our resources. Why might they not just want to carry out a program of scientific study, and so this planet might actually be of not inconsiderable interest to them, even if we might not? This could account for some at least UFO Sightings- that they are indeed ET Craft, - and also why they haven't Made contact, or said Howdy to us, because they've no wish to.

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