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[Dredimus]

This thread is about the exchange of ideas on the regulation of fire arms in the United States. Please present your opinion on what should and should not be done in order to make the U.S. a safer place to be.

[Simbi Laveau]

NRA will never let it change . That's the bottom line .

[questionmark]

Besides agreeing with Simbi above: The only way to change things is to make people legally responsible for their guns and the damage they cause. No matter if they did it themselves or not.

[The New Richard Nixon]

Just heard that it might change for people who have mental problems

[Dan'O]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[Dredimus]

Ive come to the conclusion that you cant stop a criminal from getting their hands on a weapon if they want one. By setting up tighter regulations it will only make it harder for those that are resposible citizens to obtain firearms for legal purposes.

[rashore]

Dan, on 14 December 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Just sayin... the term militia pops up elsewhere too..

Amendment V of the Bill of Rights
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Section 8 of Article I of the Constitution
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Section 2 of Article II of the Constitution
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

[aztek]

questionmark, on 14 December 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

Besides agreeing with Simbi above: The only way to change things is to make people legally responsible for their guns and the damage they cause. No matter if they did it themselves or not.

they are legally responsible. it is on books already, nice try thou. get some upto date info before posting.

[questionmark]

rashore, on 14 December 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Just sayin... the term militia pops up elsewhere too..

Amendment V of the Bill of Rights
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Section 8 of Article I of the Constitution
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Section 2 of Article II of the Constitution
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

See, according to the NRA everybody with $129.95 to buy himself a Saturday Night Special is the Militia....

Edited by questionmark, 14 December 2012 - 07:54 PM.

[aztek]

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questionmark, on 14 December 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

See, according to the NRA everybody with $129.95 to buy himself a Saturday Night Special is the Militia....

no, it is your imagination, that is all.

[Bama13]

questionmark, on 14 December 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

See, according to the NRA everybody with $129.95 to buy himself a Saturday Night Special is the Militia....

From wiki:
The reserve militia or unorganized militia, also created by the Militia Act of 1903 which presently consist of every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age who are not members of the National Guard or Naval Militia.

[aztek]

Simbi Laveau, on 14 December 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

NRA will never let it change . That's the bottom line .

why should they, it has been tried, (dc gun ban\10 yers assult rifles ban...etc) none of it did any good. why go proven wrong route?

[questionmark]

Bama13, on 14 December 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

From wiki:
The reserve militia or unorganized militia, also created by the Militia Act of 1903 which presently consist of every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age who are not members of the National Guard or Naval Militia.

And where is the well organized part (apart from the fact the fact that the above was not created to arm citizens but to draft them to military service)?

[hacktorp]

Simbi Laveau, on 14 December 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

NRA will never let it change . That's the bottom line .

Plus one.  In fact, the president of the NRA strongly believes this latest elementary school horror in Connecticut could have been mitigated if all the kids were properly armed and trained to shoot back.

But then, he's an asswipe.

[ouija ouija]

The New Richard Nixon, on 14 December 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

Just heard that it might change for people who have mental problems

I wonder what the definition for 'mental problems' will be? And more to the point: how will that be enforced?